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V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

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V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby E Showell » 31 Jan 2010, 15:02

Won't start. It's is cold here c. 16 degrees. Car was run yesterday and, as far as I know, not left with lights on, etc.

Went out to crank this a.m. and get no door chime, all warning lights light when key turns but absolutely no click from the starter solenoid and no cranking whatsoever.

I'l going to throw the trickle charger on the battery on general principle. I run the car mostly highway miles during the week and the battery is a 72 mo. Interstate with probably less than 3 years on it. Does this sound like more than a battery to anyone?

Any suggestions?

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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby Ozark Lee » 31 Jan 2010, 17:19

Most likely the battery or the battery cables. If it still won't crank after the charge give the starter itself a good smack with a pipe and see what happens. Your starter could be nearing the end.

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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby E Showell » 31 Jan 2010, 17:27

Additional info. -- Multimeter is shot so I can't test battery voltage.

After 1.5 hrs. on 10 amp charge, the door chime returned, but still no cranking.

50 amp "boost" failed to produce a start.

Upon turning key, a faint electronic hum/buzz is heard under the hood, but no starter solenoid clicking and no turnover. Any thoughts?

I have not had any recent problems starting in all temperatures.
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby E Showell » 31 Jan 2010, 17:50

Just tried to jump start the car. No joy. In fact, when I went to hook the negative to a ground on the block -- the part I really don't enjoy due to the sparking that usually occurs, I got no sparking/electrical sounds/sights whatsoever.

Starter eh? Is there a post for replacing the starter?

How much should I expect to pay for a rebuilt starter?
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby confused_al » 31 Jan 2010, 19:20

E Showell wrote:How much should I expect to pay for a rebuilt starter?
Around $200, the newer type (p/n 8111302, only one volvo dealer sells now) is about 1/2" shorter than the older type (p/n 5003918).
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Note: for the shorter one, it does not need the mounting bracket only 2 bolts to the engine block.
I think FCP has the cheapest Bosch rebuit
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E Showell wrote:Is there a post for replacing the starter?

Its easy job to me since I had manifold out.
This post will help;
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby confused_al » 31 Jan 2010, 19:28

Oh, I found another pic might be helpful, which give you the view of the bracket. Only one bolt to the engine block.
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby E Showell » 01 Feb 2010, 19:11

Let's compound the mystery. Flatbedded the car to my mechanic yesterday afternoon where it sat overnight. Mechanic has said he's been out to start the car several times during the day and it started fine every time. My driveway is sloped with the car parked facing uphill. Mechanic's lot is flat.

Any idea why it would refuse to start one day and start fine the next?
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby jblackburn » 01 Feb 2010, 19:13

DEMONS! :evil:

I wonder if your ignition switch doesn't like the cold. Mine does funny things when it's hot outside.

The only thing in the path of the starter on a 5-speed are the battery cables and the ignition switch. So if it's working now...
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby boosted5cyl » 01 Feb 2010, 19:16

E Showell wrote:Let's compound the mystery. Flatbedded the car to my mechanic yesterday afternoon where it sat overnight. Mechanic has said he's been out to start the car several times during the day and it started fine every time. My driveway is sloped with the car parked facing uphill. Mechanic's lot is flat.

Any idea why it would refuse to start one day and start fine the next?



Warmer at the mechanic's place or vice versa? Battery not holding charge when cold. Sometimes you'll put a voltmeter on em after sitting overnight in the cold and the voltage will be fine, but it hits the floor when you put a load on it.

Reading yup through the thread, its gotta be battery/earth or iffy ignition switch.
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby E Showell » 01 Feb 2010, 19:35

OK -- Let really have some fun. . .

About two years ago the car quit in traffic at a stop light after having been warmed up and running for c. 15 min. (also a slight uphill).

Would not restart -- same as recently, no solenoid click, no nothing. Just would not crank. This was in the early Spring maybe 40 degrees out.

Flatbedded the car to the same mechanic where it sat overnight. He went out and started it fine the next morning.
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby phils94850 » 01 Feb 2010, 19:41

showell,

It sounds like you either have a dead spot in the starter or a bad connection somewhere.

Have someone turn the key to start while you smack the body of the starter. If it starts, then the starter has a dead spot and needs replaced..
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby boosted5cyl » 01 Feb 2010, 19:55

E Showell wrote:Would not restart -- same as recently, no solenoid click, no nothing. Just would not crank. This was in the early Spring maybe 40 degrees out.


Were the lights coming on on your dash?
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby E Showell » 01 Feb 2010, 20:02

In the recent episode all dash lights were coming on fine.

In the prior incident it was so long ago, I don't recall.
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Re: V70 '98 FWD, NA, 5 Speed -- Won't Start

Postby jblackburn » 01 Feb 2010, 23:08

A loose ground connection could be the root of all your problems if it's something you haven't checked.

Or try what Phil suggested with the starter, hitting things always helps to take out frustration :mrgreen:
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