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Issue Resolved - Car won't stay running - VIDEO added

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Issue Resolved - Car won't stay running - VIDEO added

Postby mrreilly » 16 Dec 2010, 22:40

Hello all,
I just bought a new battery for my S70 today. My old one died twice on me this week and I had it tested and it was bad. So I put the new battery in, and started up the car. It cranked but didn't stay running. So I gave the car a little gas when I turned the ignition again and it reved up and fine until I took my foot of the gas and it died right away. Did the same thing again and it died right away again. Next I held my foot on the gas when I started it up and it continued to run while I held the accelerator down. I repeated this a few times and tried driving it around too but no matter what in order for the car to keep running I have to be holding the gas pedal down.

Any ideas? Alternator issue maybe?

Thanks for any advice or help.
Last edited by mrreilly on 22 Dec 2010, 00:12, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby JDS60R » 16 Dec 2010, 23:53

Get the codes pulled at a local parts store and let us know. Could be many things including MAF fault or improper connection at the new battery.
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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby Duake » 17 Dec 2010, 03:09

Sounds like my issue. After replacing a bunch of things, I found out it was the MAF sensor. If you have an AutoZone nearby, you can rent an OBD reader for $150. You'll get your money back when you return it, so no worries there. Best to do it sooner than later.
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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby Retired MVS Contributor » 17 Dec 2010, 03:32

Disconnect the MAF then try starting...If it runs, the MAF is bad...Disconnecting the MAF puts it in limp mode, and it will run, but poorly with no power...
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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby mrreilly » 17 Dec 2010, 18:32

I disconnected the MAF and I still have the same issue.
To test the alternator, I was told to get the car running and then take the positive battery cable off and see if the car still runs. If it dies that's an indicator that the alternator isn't holding power. But it continued to run even when I took the cable off. One other thing I checked for was any vacuum lines that had come off. Everything looks in place.
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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby Ozark Lee » 17 Dec 2010, 20:07

Taking a battery cable off while the car is running is playing with fire. If you can get it to an auto parts store and get it to run they can test the alternator while it is in the car.

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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby Retired MVS Contributor » 17 Dec 2010, 21:54

I don't know where the idea of removing the battery cable while the engine is running came from, but that is a MAJOR NO NO!!! and you warned against it right in yourowner's manual...The alternator is running unregulated when you do that and the high voltage can destroy the electronic modules...You were very fortunate and I think it points to a non-working alternator, otherwise you would have some very expensive repairs to make right now...
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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby mrreilly » 17 Dec 2010, 23:04

Got my car towed home from school today. I have a code scanner here at home so I just ran the code and found it was the MAF.
CODE: P0102 - MAF or VAF A circuit low input
So does this mean buy a new MAF sensor??

Thanks for everyones help too! I really appreciate it. And the whole disconnecting the battery thing did sound kinda sketchy but it was kind of a last home sort of thing otherwise my car would have been stuck at school.
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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby Ozark Lee » 17 Dec 2010, 23:08

I don't know where the idea of removing the battery cable while the engine is running came from, but that is a MAJOR NO NO!!


Back in the day of carburetors and distributors with points (No ECU) it was pretty common to try this trick. That train left the station a long time ago. I agree with Jerry - Bad Idea.

I can't remember the last car I had that was devoid of electronic engine control systems - It must have been either the '69 AMX or the '74 Nova.

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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby Retired MVS Contributor » 18 Dec 2010, 20:37

Disconnecting the battery while the car was running was OK with generators, but not with alternators...The following is a download from a website on alternators taken this AM...It has a lot of helpful hints on alternator testing...Matt might want to archive it...

Never operate an alternator on an open circuit. With no battery or electrical load in the circuit, alternators are capable of building high voltage (50 to over 110 volts) which may damage diodes and endanger anyone who touches the alternator output terminal. Alternator maintenance is minimized by the use of prelubricated bearings and longer lasting brushes. If a problem exists in the charging circuit, check for a complete field circuit by placing a large screwdriver on the alternator rear-bearing surface. If the field circuit is complete, there will be a strong magnetic pull on the blade of the screwdriver, which indicates that the field is energized. If there is no field current, the alternator will not charge because it is excited by battery voltage. Should you suspect troubles within the charging system after checking the wiring connections and battery, connect a voltmeter across the battery terminals. If the voltage reading, with the engine speed increased, is within the manufacturer’s recommended specification, the charging system is functioning properly. Should the alternator tests fail, the alternator should be removed for repairs or replacement. Do NOT forget, you must ALWAYS disconnect the cables from the battery first. Alternator Testing To determine what component(s) has caused the problem, you will be required to disassemble and test the alternator. ROTOR TESTING.—To test the rotor for grounds, shorts, and opens, perform the following: To check for grounds, connect a test lamp or ohmmeter from one of the slip rings to the rotor shaft (fig. 2-29). A low ohmmeter reading or the Figure 2-29.—Testing rotor for grounds. lighting of the test lamp indicates that the rotor winding is grounded. To check the rotor for shorts and opens, connect the ohmmeter to both slip rings, as shown in figure 2-30. An ohmmeter reading below the manufacturer’s specified resistance value indicates a short. A reading above the specified resistance value indicates an open. If a test lamp does not light when connected to both slip rings, the winding is open. STATOR TESTING.—The stator winding can be tested for opens and grounds after it has been disconnected from the alternator end frame. If the ohmmeter reading is low or the test lamp lights when connected between each pair of stator leads (fig. 2-31), the stator winding is electrically good. A high ohmmeter reading or failure of the test lamp to light when connected from any one of the leads to Figure 2-30.—Testing the rotor for opens and shorts. Figure 2-31 .-Testing a stator for opens. 2-21

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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby mrreilly » 19 Dec 2010, 18:30

Ok, now that we have the whole alternator issue cleared up.. lol

What should I do about my car? I made the mistake in thinking it was the MAF sensor. That code came up because I had taken it off and tried running the car as suggested to me. So I'm going to clear that code and try again.
I still need help in figuring out what to do. Could the alternator still be the issue?

I have about three weeks to clear this issue up before I have to head back to school. :s
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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running

Postby mrreilly » 19 Dec 2010, 20:17

Update:
Here's the most current situation:
1. I've checked to make sure the battery is properly connected and cleaned the terminals and wires.
2. I put the MAF back on and ran the car for a little bit.
3. Checked for codes - No Code came up
4. After sitting in the car with my foot on the gas, I let off the gas and the car stopped running as it has been doing. When it stopped running, the battery light, oil light, and check engine light were all lit up. Does that tell me anything? In addition to that the "Arrow" light came which I assume means something with the transmission.
5. I Just just checked the alternator and it's doing just what it should be.
Suggestions? Fuel pump not putting out right? Clogged up vacuum hose?
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Re: Urgent! Car won't stay running - VIDEO added

Postby mrreilly » 21 Dec 2010, 04:45



Just listen to how the engine tries to start up maybe it might help?
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Re: Issue Resolved - Car won't stay running - VIDEO added

Postby mrreilly » 22 Dec 2010, 00:12

Issue has been resolved.
Turns out the engine had to 'relearn' how to do what it's supposed to. It's idling normally now.
God figure it's something simple like that.
Thanks for everyone's help.
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