Use proper English, please

[matthew1]

English as a 2nd/3rd/4th language users are not held to this standard.

Please use proper English. That means starting sentences with Capital letters, using "one" instead of "1", ending sentences with periods, breaking thoughts into paragraphs, etc. This requirement is in the forum rules which you were required to read and agree to when you registered for your account at MVS.

This is a highly technical board with highly skilled people reading and contributing to it, so we need to keep the level of the only means of transfer of information to one another at a reasonably understandable level.

Writing is all we have (plus the occasional photo).


Thanks,
Matt
Owner/Admin

[bigkev414]

I am probably guilty of this because I am not from an English speaking country - I'm from Australia where we speak 'Aussie'. I agree with this subject, and will pay particular attention in the future. G'Day mate!

[JRL]

Hmmm.....
(Finally got to you, eh?)

[Matty Moo]

That sh*t irritates me to no end. My 12 year old daughter doesn't even communicate like that.

[jblackburn]

And please don't use shorthand. Make complete sentences; don't use things like 'u', 'bro', 'lol', connect sentences with '...', or drop f-bombs every 5 words. That doesn't belong on a technical forum out in public.

Some posts lately have been getting seriously annoying. Most of us are older than 16 here, so act like it. We're not texting our friend, and I don't even write like that in text messages. If I get a message like that from someone, I'm not even going to answer.

If you're posting an actual question, don't post something like "car won't start" as a title and then "what could be the problem?" as the actual text. Seriously? If you want an answer, give members some actual symptoms to work with or do some research yourself for possible causes before asking a question that could be any number of things.

For instance, a GREAT first-time post:

Hi, I have a 1994 850 Turbo with ~170K miles and a lit ABS light. I found this site and, using the very helpful repair database, I pulled the codes from under the hood. From A3 I get DTC 443 "Pump Motor Electrical or Mechanical Fault".

Searching around a little more, it looks like the ABS module in pre- '96 cars rarely fails. But, my understanding is the hydraulic ABS pump has been known to leak in '93-'94's. Is there anything else I should check or test before replacing the pump/motor assembly? I don't see any obvious leaks, and the wiring between the ABS control module and pump/motor seemed to look OK (no visible deterioration of sheathing, or loose wires).

At ~$1,000, a new pump/motor assembly isn't really an option for me. Is it worth trying a used unit? Any tips or instructions for the replacement, is this a manageable DIY repair?

Thanks much,

Ben

Polite, cordial, and proper English - he did some real research before asking a question. There are a lot of many polite, helpful people on the board that will be glad to help you if they can understand what you're asking, so please respect everyone by doing this little favor for all of us.

We (Matt and us moderators) are at a bit of a loss about what to do about some of those posts that have been coming up lately - so this is an attempt to help address the issue before it gets too far out of hand.

[Ben850]

I have been researching forums relating to the issues with my recently aquired vehicle for a few months now. I must say, I respect this forum for the professional feel. I understand some issues are new to myself and I may post a question hastily, lacking due research. Thanks so much for the resource, and occasionally I may even be of assistance. I understand, and am enjoying the exchange.

[JRL]

So for once this is on topic so PLEASE read it (my pet peeve)
http://unenlightenedenglish.com/2009/04 ... t-vs-allot

[bronxnativ]

I've been holding this back for some time but feel it is appropriate with this subject matter: quit the rudeness!!! (you know who you are!). I am a 46 (soon to be 47) year old man and the last thing I need to read is a reply from some ignorant "you know what" wanting to show off his knowledge by being rude and obnoxious. Trust me, you're not impressing anyone with it. If in fact you do have knowledge or relevant info to share, it is overshadowed with your rudeness. Take that ignorance to the many other car forums online that allow that crap! I come here to share my knowledge, give input (when applicable), ask questions, and offer any help that I can. I don't come to this forum for ignorant and rude replies from anyone. If you don't agree with someones answer and you don't know how to express your opinion in a professional and respectable manner then don't say anything at all!!! Spare us your misery! As the old saying goes: "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".

[turbozutek]

Don't worry, even the best American English is near-gibberish compared to actual English. Listening to it is even worse.

LOL

[januwan]

This is a very good subject, thanks for addressing it. Keep in mind this is an international forum with native and non-native English speakers, whether you like it or not. The non native speakers are learning not only about their Volvos but English as well. I have been in this country for a few years but I still do no speak or write perfect English (thank God for spell checker that is not always perfect) but sometimes my jaw drops when I see that much Ebonics.
Thanks for the great forum

[jmmxc]

Keep in mind this is the international forum with native and non-native English speakers, you like it or not

I think it is an important matter worthy of everyone's opinions. I can observe, based on some of the posts I have read, that people overseas in general, where English is not their primary language, tend to express themselves as best as they can (without the extra fluff) even though grammatically imperfect. I think there are folks that allow themselves to be swept by the rip currents of our nowadays social networks' jargons to the point that they believe proper grammar or manner is not that much important. And with the advent of email, text messaging and other long distance scripting, studies found that some people feel somehow liberated and not obligated to adhere to appropriate communication styles. One of the reasons is understood to be the fact that people hide behind aliases, avatar, a username of some sort, and distance.
Our role is to write, inform, educate, and learn from each other.
Let us strive to be technically concise, grammatically correct in a manner consistent to the English language.
thanks,
jmmxc

[bigkev414]

Don't worry, even the best American English is near-gibberish compared to actual English. Listening to it is even worse.

LOL

You have to be joking: this from a SCOTT ?? Awa wi ya ya wee eejut!

[bigkev414]

This is a pertinent subject........A recent example was a sports news headline on Fox sports referring to a high profile football coach. The headline read: 'Worsfold resigns'. This caused massive shockwaves throughout the football community. What the article went on to explain was that the coach referred to had re-signed for a further 3 years with his current club. Whoever prepared the item either didn't know (probable) or forgot to leave the hyphen between re and signs, thus creating the opposite of what was intended.

[turbozutek]

Don't worry, even the best American English is near-gibberish compared to actual English. Listening to it is even worse.

LOL

You have to be joking: this from a SCOTT ?? Awa wi ya ya wee eejut!

It's worse than that... It's from a SCOT!

Excellent Scots though, I'm impressed! Only improvment I could make would be; 'wi ye, ya wee'

Chris...