PCV Oil Separator wrongly routed IMPORTANT, EVERYONE READ!

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PCV Oil Separator wrongly routed IMPORTANT, EVERYONE READ!

Postby MadeInJapan » Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:00 pm

Although not from our site here I thought this was really excellent and have added it to the repair database.

http://lakesidedp.com/uploadpics/pcv/

If you're having trouble even after your PCV replacement, check your PTC nipple as it probably is clogged. The write-up includes this. This is the first time I've seen it mentioned on a PCV how-to!

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Postby lewismug » Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:24 pm

That write-up would have been really, really nice to have as a reference last year when I tackled the PCV job on my S70! Thanks for the link MIJ. I'm sure that will help plenty of folks!

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Postby MadeInJapan » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:19 pm

Always glad to help. Yes, it would have helped me a couple of years ago when I did mine too.

In the meantime, it appears that if anyone is having PCV trouble, CHECK YOUR PTC NIPPLE FIRST
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Very helpful post

Postby redbrick » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:43 pm

That is a very nice writeup. Thanks.
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Postby tailor » Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:15 pm

Fantastic write- up could have used that a few months ago. :(

An extra check, make sure the rubber on the bayonett connector is not saturated with oil and has lost it's hold on the turbo hose, thereby letting un-metered air in.

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Postby MadeInJapan » Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:31 pm

Right...when that happens there really is no good corrective measure and your only remedy is to replace the entire accordion hose (it comes with the PTC Nipple). The good news is that fcpgroton (and I believe eeuroparts.com) sells these and they aren't really that bad of an expense. So, to recap:

1. Check the PTC Nipple which is on the bayonet connector at the bottom of the accordion hose from the air filter housing to the turbo. If it's clogged, unclog it (drill bit if it's solid, pipe cleaners with brake fluid, alcohol or whatever works) and if the bayonet connector is bad, go ahead and order the accordion hose.
2. See if after #1 is done your PCV system is breathing correctly (no smoke from the oil dipstick tube when idling a warm engine, and no positive pressure when you hold your hand over the oil cap filler neck).
3. Go ahead with the PCV replacement if #2 is still a problem.
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THIS IS IMPORTANT- EVERYONE READ THIS!

Postby MadeInJapan » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:58 am

Something else I just found over on V.S. that I think everyone should be aware of. Both the diagrams over at FCP and those in VADIS show a confusing routing for the hose from the air intake and the one that goes up to the top of the engine from the oil separator (They are wrong for pre '99's).
Please make sure you get it right. It will make a difference. This is the correct routing:
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If routed wrong, it will send oil into your turbo and thus into your intercooler pipes. Here is why:

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The condensation rolls down the side of the walls of the oil separator and back into the engine. There's a baffle in the center of the plastic box that allows exhaust back into the air intake without the oil. If the hoses are reversed then the oil trap would become saturated without a way to re-route just the exhaust. Instead, oil would be routed (also it will clog faster). This might be why some complain of more oil in their turbo hoses after the PCV replacement and then wonder if their turbo is going out.

When I read the above, I had to go check my routing. It is hard to tell once the intake is back on but with a strong flash light you can peer down from between the fuel rail and the engine and tell that the hose routed to the top of the engine is a shiny black one whereas the the one routed to the the air intake (accordion) hose is more matt black. Just to make sure I found a coat hanger and jiggled the shiny black hose and it moved the hose all the way up to the top one at the engine so I was relieved.
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Postby chuckcintron » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:49 pm

Whoa! This is pretty interesting. I did this PCV job about 7 months ago, and have since developed an oil leak around the turbo. I figured something was up with the send/return lines at the turbo, and I would just address it in the spring, when the weather gets warm enough to work out in the garage again.

So, for my 1997 GLT you are saying that the topside routing of the box is essentially backward, in the FCP/VADIS diagram, right?

I'm going to have to check this tonight when I get home. Since I usually print those diagrams off and follow them when I'm working on the car, there's a pretty good chance it was done wrong.

If it's been installed backward all this time do you think the breather box is saturated and now needs to be replaced? The thought of doing this job again is not a very happy thought, right now... :cry:

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Postby MadeInJapan » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:55 am

chuckcintron wrote:So, for my 1997 GLT you are saying that the topside routing of the box is essentially backward, in the FCP/VADIS diagram, right?

If it's been installed backward all this time do you think the breather box is saturated and now needs to be replaced? The thought of doing this job again is not a very happy thought, right now... :cry:
-Chuck


Yes, there is a possibility that you installed it backwards. I believe someone over on V.S. has been in contact with FCP so hopefully they'll change their diagram....and VADIS seems wrong as well...at least from the actual construction of the oil separator. I'm trying to thing what would happen if you didn't change out the separator. Maybe, taking it loose and dumping the oil out the top would be enough to restore things...but if you do that far, why not just replace it? I think the other hoses would be ok and would clear on their own after a few hundred miles. Yes, it is a :cry:
Just check with a strong flash light when you get a chance...it is a tight view but you should be able to tell without taking the manifold loose.
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Postby chuckcintron » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:10 am

Well, good news...with my billion candlepower light (well...not quite...) I was able to see the routing, and for some strange reason I had it correct.

Oil leak must be something else around the turbo...I may have to check that intake PTC area again.

Whew. :shock:

Thanks,
Chuck


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