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1998 V70 T5 Electrical Issue. Dim Lights, Instruments

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WagonLagan
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1998 V70 T5 Electrical Issue. Dim Lights, Instruments

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Greetings,

This is my first post, but MVS has already helped me immensely. Feel free to skip to the Issue or Summary if you just want to be a kind, helpful soul but don't care to read my babble. :)

Personal Background:

I get the feeling that a lot of people here enjoy knowing who they're helping (and don't mind a sense of humor), so I thought I'd share a bit if you're interested. (Indeed I found myself enjoying learning more about you amazingly helpful people in this community as I did my PCV system research.)

Earlier this year I was in the market for a new Volvo wagon. I've only ever owned Volvo wagons since I started driving 10 years ago, and probably won't ever be without one. Had a 745, and after scrapping that, a wonderful 2000 XC V70 SE that I adored. Unfortunately, earlier this year, I was in my first car accident courtesy of a small animal and my bleeding heart. That ended with some concrete, surprise, and one poor gentleman not getting his mail for a couple days (his mailbox got thrashed). In the end, the price to repair the damage was too much, and I decided to scrap it (oh how I wish I was smarter then and would have dropped it in my driveway instead).

Enter my 1998 V70 T5 wagon. Found this car with some searching and sheer luck and got it for under $1000. I did have to put $2000 into it to get it up to inspection standards, but if I'd have had more time and confidence I could have done it myself and got an inspection-worthy 98 T5 for under $2000. (Not sure if that's still good nowadays, but it thrills me anyway, I really like this car)

Unfortunately, even after all that work put into it, it still had some issues. Being down to a couple hundred dollars and an oil-covered garage floor, I realized I had to suck it up and finally learn to mechanic. I've always been a rather mechanically inclined person, but cars always seemed overwhelming to me.

Over the course of 4-5 days, many things were cleaned, several things were repaired, four bolts were stripped (sigh :( ), and one PCV system/oil trap/oil separator/whatever the heck they're correctly called, was replaced. Was quite proud of myself when I watched my car pass the glove test so well I was afraid it was about to get sucked into the engine. Much thanks is due to Robert (rspi on this forum I believe), and his awesome PCV system video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEZzqyu2a6c), as well as several other tutorial/write-up contributors on this website and more. Thank you.

Since my oil leak was resolved, and my amateur mechanic confidence secured, my lovely T5 decided it was time to teach me something scarier more challenging: electrical systems.

Car Background:

I'll keep this section simpler.

1998 V70 T5
230,000 miles

General:

-Engine runs great excluding occasional idle-dips ever since I cleaned the IAC (afraid I broke it :? ).
-Transmission feels smooth.
-Occasional Power Steering fluid leak, delayed for now with regular checking/topping off.
-Before PCV system replacement it was throwing these codes: P0102, P0455, P0410. Haven't had a chance to reset and re-test.
-TRACS and ABS lights on, planning on dealing with this later.

Electrical Related:

-Headlights have been amazingly dim since I got it. We're talking like 4-5 feet of light, driving 30 mph in 45+ mph zones at night when off lit highways, candles in my headlights dim. (Imagine it's the apocalypse, only you and your Volvo survived, with nothing but some dirty fog lights to find your way, that's what it looks like for me.) For safety, I generally just avoid night driving. Not sure how it passed inspection (is that an inspection item?), but I had the indie Volvo shop check the light-height adjustment again and they said that was okay at least.
-I noticed some instrument flickering before. Very mild, almost unnoticeable while idling. This has gotten progressively worse.
-Along with the instrument flickering, some mild cabin light dimming would sometimes happen as well.
-It has been getting colder here, down in the 30sF, even colder is coming.
-There appears to be 2.5 (ohms?) of resistance(?) in the headlight bulb socket.
-The headlight itself seems to have approximately 2.5 (ohms?) of resistance(?) itself.
-When I did the PCV system, I did do some wire recovering and plug cleaning with electrical contact cleaner, maybe I damaged something?
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Issue:

-I'm scared of the dark.
-The sun sets at eff-ing 5pm now.
-Last night whenever I revved the engine, after removing my foot from the gas, ALL the lights would dim, dang near going out. Clearly I can't get by any longer.

Resolution:

My research thus far has lead me to several possibilities, none of which I am skilled enough to diagnose/pursue alone:

-Training a small nocturnal animal to drive for me.
-The used Battery the shop gave me for free has ceased to be.
-Alternator has expired and gone to meet its maker.
-Voltage Regular is pushing up the daises.
-B+ cable/other electrical wires have shuffled off the mortal coil.
-Continue quoting Monty Python's Parrot Sketch.



I really appreciate any help/advice/direction that you all could provide.

I have this:
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As to where these go:
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I'm open to pain-less suggestions.


Summary/TLDR:

-Extremely dim headlights.
-It has been getting colder here, down in the 30sF, even colder is coming.
-Drastic internal light dimming after revving engine and taking foot off gas.
-There appears to be 2.5 (ohms?) of resistance(?) in the headlight bulb socket.
-The headlight itself seems to have approximately 2.5 (ohms?) of resistance(?) itself.
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Trying to figure out where to begin. Happy to report back any needed information. I can learn and look up how to test things, but even with the research I've done so far, I'm struggling to figure out where to start and feeling a little overwhelmed. Thanks for reading however much or little you were able to. :D

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Post by WagonLagan »

Added in the results from some battery tests I did:
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My limited understanding thus far leads me to (very hesitantly) conclude that those are strong numbers, and that this is therefore unlikely to be a battery/alternator problem? Here's hoping I'm right. :?

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Post by wyethv70 »

Past problems that I have had with an alternator issue in my Volvo and BMW had a Christmas tree effect on my dash but also obviously dimmed my lights as well. In my BMW the power steering pump reservoir sits above the alternator (same with my 98 NA volvo) and it leaked onto my alternator causing some similar problems you are mentioning such as dim head lights and fluctuating dash lights (I mention this because you say that you have to top off your steering fluid periodically). However if you are getting good voltage readings then this may not be the issue. FYI if you end up thinking it is your alternator you can take it out of the car (this can suck) and take it to Autozone to have them bench test it for free I just did this for my Volvo and it all turned out well. ...Wyeth

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Post by abscate »

Well done on that first post, and welcome!!

I'm on a call in 5 minutes but quick things to check

Grounds on the engine. There are several big ground wires, including one under the battery, that get corroded and make all sorts of electrical nasties. Remove, scrape till shiny, reattach.

Your alternator outputs look ok, first pass. Small correction, ignition systems shuffle off the coil, alternators are bleeding demised ,,..... ;-)

Two other possibilities...electrical part of ignition switch are known to fail at high miles

Headlight switches are known to fail ...I would search for info here on evaluating your headlight switch first.

Welcome again...gotta go!
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Post by WagonLagan »

wyethv70 wrote: ...the power steering pump reservoir ... leaked onto my alternator causing some similar problems you are mentioning such as dim head lights and fluctuating dash lights ...
Thanks for being the first reply! :D And for those thoughts. I doubt I'd ever thought of power steering fluid dripping onto the alternator. I have some spare scrap metal, I may have to fashion a small deflector over the alternator and see if that helps. That'd also help me determine if the leak is there or somewhere else.
abscate wrote: Grounds on the engine. There are several big ground wires, including one under the battery, that get corroded and make all sorts of electrical nasties. Remove, scrape till shiny, reattach.
Headlight switches are known to fail ...I would search for info here on evaluating your headlight switch first.
I've been hoping it's something like you mentioned abscate. I sure can't afford an alternator right now. :? I need to get some things done today as well, but when I'm back home later I'll be searching for some video/forum tutorials on cleaning ground wires. I am entirely new to almost all car stuff, and especially green when it comes to electrical work. I know not to touch battery terminals together and remove it before I do any substantial work, but that's about it.

If you know of any guides I might not find through a normal search later today, a particular one you'd recommend, or any other specific suggestions/thoughts/cautions, they'd all be appreciated. Otherwise, I'll be checking out my headlight switch, and then my ground wires. Ignition switch sounds like it'd be more intensive, I'll check that out last.

One thing I should add is that two days ago when I posted that was the worst and most significant experience I had with my lights dimming after I revved the engine. That is not an usual occurrence. Also, it was cold that night, and I had come home from a decent amount of driving around. Figured I'd share in case that points to something.
abscate wrote:Small correction, ignition systems shuffle off the coil, alternators are bleeding demised ,,..... ;-)
No no, it's... pining for the freeway! :D


Thanks so much for the advice and suggestions so far. I'll update once I have more information.

Always a pleasure to share some Monty Python. Brilliant references there squire! :lol:

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Post by WagonLagan »

Wanted to post this here too as sort of an update and request for help.

Threw this same post up here also so that anyone willing to share advice doesn't have to wade through all the details of this problem: https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... =1&t=66799

I have 2 questions that it isn't necessary to have all that background on, and would really appreciate some input.

A: Building better battery cables.

I am an electrical novice, so I want to be sure I do this correctly.

I have these:
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and these:
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Now from what I can tell thus far, all I need is the proper gauge wire.

Summary:
This is my primary question: I have no idea what to look for (or even where to look for) in proper battery cabling. I figure 100% copper is good.

I would really appreciate knowing:
#1: The wire gauge (what you recommend, I think stock is 4 gauge?)
#2: The lengths, if you know it
#3: How should I go about connecting the block ground to the chassis/battery ground wire?
- combine them into one "cable lug" and crimp it?
- use a separate "cable lug" for the end of each wire and then stack them on the chassis ground point?
#4: Anything else I should know about making my own battery cables?

B: Engine block ground.

#5: Is there a better place that I can ground the block on? That horrendous placement under the intake manifold is going to be hell to deal with.

Thanks very much for your help.

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Post by WagonLagan »

After some electrical testing, I think I may have finally narrowed down the real issue.

I think the reflectors in the headlights may simply be worn past usability.

I have a post on it here: https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... 78#p348378

I will update a little more tomorrow. Been so busy.

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Accidental double post.

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Post by WagonLagan »

Wanted to share that I did resolve this issue!

Turns out I was chasing the wrong thing. I think I likely could resolve my occasional instrument and light dimming by upgrading my negative battery cable, but after testing all the cables that I could, it didn't make sense for an electrical issue to be causing constantly dim headlights.

Eventually I took the headlight out and opened it up, and wow, it was awful, as you can see in the pictures in the link below.

I ended up finding a nice looking headlight in a salvage yard (after visiting I think 4 others, all with Volvos that had headlights like mine), and that solved my problem.

Thanks for all the help with the electrical issues! I assure you it didn't go to waste, as it helped me diagnose this problem, and especially with what you shared with me in the battery cable post abscate, I'll likely be replacing/upgrading my negative battery cables in the future.

If you're interested in the full report, it's here: https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... 14#p352852

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