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1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Help, Advice and DIY Tutorials on Volvo's extremely popular car line -- Volvo's 1990s "bread and butter" cars -- powered by the ubiquitous and durable Volvo inline 5-cylinder engine.

1992 - 1997 850, 850 R, 850 T5-R, 850 T5, 850 GLT
1997 - 2000 S70, S70 AWD
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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by Ozark Lee » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:13 am

I love the ways the 50s handle but you can feel every pebble in the road with them. The handling isn't as crisp with the 55s but the ride is smoother and I don't cringe every time I hit a bad road repair.

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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by scot850 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 9:49 am

Good to know on the tire sizes. I know the V70Xc we had (98) was fitted with 205/65-15 tires and they were ok. But good to know that with care 205/55/16's also work. That is what is mostly fitted to all the rims that come available whether winter or summer including P2's around here.

Now all I need is for folk with the ads to actually reply to the e-mails which are the only way to contact them!

Thanks guys for the help and encouragement!

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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by scot850 » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:34 pm

Well finally had some time to look at what I bought more carefully today. Don't know when the front wheels were last off the car as I had to hammer the rims with a large rubber mallet, and then soak the gap between the rotor and rim with Deep Creep and eventually got them to separate.

The repair shop the PO used got most of the major issues identified as in the drive line:

1) Front RH outer CV boot completely split
2) Front LH outer CV boot completely split
3) A small amount of movement in the RH control arm ball joint.
4) Front RH wheel bearing- But here is where I can't agree, I can't drive the car, so put the car in neutral and turned the RH axle and can feel no stiffness in the bearing or any obvious movement. Am I missing something here? If the bearing is failing surely you would hear some rumbling of feel some roughness in the axle bearing? Appreciate your thoughts on this. I have another used bearing I can use if needed. Would the noise only come up when the bearing is warm or loaded?

5) The windshield wiper control stalk works but is broken. I have a good used one and 10 minute job
6) Splits in the front brake flexi hoses. Definitely large cracks in them.

The other issues they didn't list are:

1) An oil leak from the front of the engine. Can't find an obvious leak, it is below the top of the PCV catch tank and above the oil pressure sender. Using my endoscope I can't see the source. The car looks like it has had some PCV maintenance as the pipe from the catch tank to top of the motor still has a Volvo label on it. I did try the glove test and the glove did not inflate and when rev'd the glove sucked down. Is this correct for a good PCV system on a NA engine?
2) There was oil leaking from the oil filler cap, the seal was rock hard! Although there is some evidence of oil dripping to the front of the engine it didn't look like much if any had fallen down. The area was dry under the intake.

I think I will have to possibly pull the intake to try to find where the leak is coming from.

3) Added to the leak, the Crank engine mount is soaked in oil and has failed
4) Top torque mount has failed.
5) There is a broken mount on the rear drivers front door window guide. Looks like a repair has already been done to passenger side door lower guide mount
6) The air guide is broken where it should hook onto the slot in the bottom of the A/C condenser. I'll make up a bracket to fix that.
7) The A/C hopefully just needs a re-pressurizing/service.

Other than that all seems to be good. Although I made one error, the car has A/C but not ECC.

I have a few questions for the Volvo gods:

1) Any thoughts on the oil leak from the front of the engine? It appears to start from above the oil pressure switch area and the oil leaks around to the crank oil seal.

2) Drive shaft C/V boot failure. Clean and replace boot are swap out axles? There is still plenty of grease in the joints and they don't look gritty. As the outer ends are the large ball bearing end are they likely to be toast? Should I take them out and clean them and evaluate or am I just wasting my time?

3) I have found a pair of the aluminum front control arms. The replaceable ball-joints and the 2 swivel bushes need to be replaced, But the parts for those are about $40-45/control arm from FCP (Meyle and Lemforder). I could replace both sides for less than the cost of 1 Lemforder control arm from FCP. As I am trying to keep costs to a minimum, but repair the car well, this makes sense but more work. I am going to have to pull the axles anyway so both control arms will be unbolted so the effort to swap is not big. Thoughts? (The existing LH control arm is good).

4) I found a set of 5 x 16" Volvo rims with Michelin Pilot Sport tires for $350 (CDN) or about $280 (US). Rims are in excellent condition for age, 4 of the tires (205/55/16") are maybe 1/3 worn.

5) Are there rear flexible brake hoses? I haven't had time to jack the rear up yet. I have a question (to which I have yet to find a clear answer) as to where to jack the rear of the car and where to place the axle stands. On my AWD cars you can jack the rear under the diff casing and then place the axle stands under the 2 jacking points in front of the rear wheels, or there is a flat area just in front of there you can place axle stands (I put a piece of 3/8" oak on top of the stands so as not to mark the underside). I can't find out what to do for a FWD car. I thought I recalled you jack the rear of the car under a pad at the rear of the spare wheel well to the left of the rear towing eye, but not sure about that?!

The last thing for now, I had a good look under the car for rust and apart from a recent scrape under the front passenger foot well (possibly a badly positions hoist arm) about 1" in diameter and what looks like some surface rust from a leaking battery at some point under the battery tray. The car has been fully and well undercoated from new and looks amazing underneath!

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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by scot850 » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:55 pm

I have now reviewed the last owners service info for the last 5 years.

Stand outs are:

1) Timing belt was replaced 5 years ago at 76,000km (car now has 155,00km). According to service info in Haynes manual the belt should be changed every 8 years or 128,000km. Thoughts? I will check the belt and may have to pull the cover to find out the source of an oil leak.

2) The PCV system was serviced 2 years ago at 133,000km. Still may have to pull the intake to find oil leak source at front of engine.

3) This car seems to eat rear rotors. It had a new set of rears at 76,000km and the calipers were serviced, then another at 115,000km and then a 3rd set at 133,000km. That seems excessive! Rear rotors look like coated units and still silver on no contact surfaces.

4) Plugs, spark plug leads, distributor cap and rotor all recently replaced with Volvo parts.

So it appears to have been fairly well taken care of by last owner until the C/V boots failed.

Weird thing was I found a piece of wood stuck behind the rear of the RH wheel. No idea how it got there!?

Neil.
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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by erikv11 » Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:19 pm

That's no base model, it is an SE, which explains many of the extras ... looks great!
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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by ktuuri » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:30 am

Nice find!! I think it was at the Barlow Pick+pull there was an 850 with the front R bumper. That would look sweet on yours, if it's still there.

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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by MadeInJapan » Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:33 am

That is a nice car! I have a few options on oil leaks you can ponder... If I recall, I believe there's part of the PCV line that goes from the other end of the engine through the intake tunnel to the crank side, so you might check it to see if it's broken. The other option is a bad seal on the dip stick tube. Other wise, although your front mount is soaked, I wouldn't think a cam seal leak would soak the front of the engine, although your cam seal(s) might also be leaking, given your description of issues with this car. Reboot or buy new axles...hmm...I've been there. If I was paying someone I would just buy new axles because the work is a PITA, but if you have the time, and the axles are still good and you are trying to save money, I would be tempted to reboot them. Let me know what you decide to do. I believe I have a set of boots (at least inner and outer for one axle) for my S70 I've never used if you need them. They came from Raxles so they are decent quality. Long story short on that is that Marty at Raxles felt bad that he didn't have an axle to send me so he sent me a box full of boots, clamps and grease. I ended up buying an axle from Napa that was inexpensive that is still working well on my S70, so I never used them. Btw, I would never use split or half boots for our cars. Tried that years ago and it was a disaster. In regards to the brake lines, I do not remember there being flexible hoses in the rear- I think they are metal all the say to the calipers. Good luck with the repairs and let us know how you're progressing.
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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by abscate » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:30 am

Neil...my experience with CVs is if they aren't making noise you can repack them and put new boots on. The y are really high quality compared to most aftermarket stuff, so stick with the OE if you can.

I jack under the spring seat using a hockey puck on the jack pad ( that's a game we play down here ) and then put the stand under the shock bracket or the suspension arm.

Neither of my failed bearings felt bad, unfortunately. You can jack up one wheel and run it to listen for the howl. I drove on a howler for 10000 miles with no problem, by the way
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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by scot850 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:52 am

So my buddy just got back on the parts at Worldpac. The wheel bearing is about the same price as the FAG version at FCP, The control arm is about the same as the Lemforder, and the LH axle is about $90 US. The RH axle is 60% higher, so as I have 2 axles here to play with I will use one and replace the outer CV boot. Strangely both inner boots are good and supple, and the 'spare' axle has a cracking but no split outer boot.
The crank engine mount is about the price of the Meyle.

I'll order the rest of the parts I need from FCP Euro today.

My neighbor may have a buyer for the car already. His daughter's boyfriend just blew the motor in his car and is looking for a replacement. Hate that as it puts me under pressure to fix it quickly!

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Re: 1997 Volvo 850 NA - look what followed me home!

Post by scot850 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:22 pm

So now trying to see if I can get all the parts in under the cost target (or my wife will kill me!). The costs are mounting and I appreciate the offers of help on parts. Made in Japan I forgot to get back to you on the offer of the CV boots. I'll PM with you to confirm the part numbers are the ones I need. Appreciate all the help also. Local dealer where I worked have also been very helpful. They all know I am nuts but never complain (too much) about my requests. Interestingly, they can do some parts for the same or less than say FCP on OE parts. FCP don't seem to carry the Corteco brand on the oil seals, so going OE.

Volvo sells an 'oil pump kit' (part # 271439) which I believe includes the crank pulley seal. Can anyone confirm this? Strange as the price difference for the crank pulley seal and the kit is only about $10?!

I at least figure I made some progress yesterday and swapped out the broken windshield wiper stalk. Love doing jobs after a 'tinkerer' has been in there before you! They had rounded off on of the top Torx screws. A lot of patience and engineering words and it came out without breaking anything. I even had the correct spare screw in non-modified form!!

Today will be finalising the parts required (or wished for) and hopefully get orders out. I then have a few jobs to tackle in readiness for parts arriving like pulling the drive axles, intake manifold and timing belt cover to try to source the oil leak. I will add some pictures once work begins!

Neil.
2000 V70 R - still being an endless PITA
2006 XC70
2003 Toyota 4Runner V8 Limited
2015 Kia Sportage EX-L
1993 850 GLT -Sold
1998 V70 XC - Sold
1997 Volvo 850 SE NA - Went to niece in California - Sold
2000 V70 SE NA - New project and test bed - Sold

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