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Compare the wagons! P2 vs. P80

Help, Advice and DIY Tutorials on Volvo's extremely popular car line -- Volvo's 1990s "bread and butter" cars -- powered by the ubiquitous and durable Volvo inline 5-cylinder engine.

1992 - 1997 850, 850 R, 850 T5-R, 850 T5, 850 GLT
1997 - 2000 S70, S70 AWD
1997 - 2000 V70, V70 AWD
1997 - 2000 V70-XC
1997 - 2004 C70

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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by beigg » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:16 am

Catch can and hose end caps. Probably be same or less cost in parts.
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by jimmy57 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:13 pm

05 V70 8
96 855 2

2005 will not need: an evaporator, a whole lot of broken dash stuff repaired, RH airbag cover warpage repair, a new battery every 4 years.

Both will need spring seats and some front end bushings.

2005 is a better ride, quieter, colder a/c, better sound system and several other things improved or more modern.
2005 has less module failures (CEM in particular) comparted to 99-2004 P2 models.

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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by misha » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:13 pm

beigg wrote:Catch can and hose end caps. Probably be same or less cost in parts.
Catch can will not be helpful if oil ports are blocked.It can only help with blue smoke from exhaust.
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by beigg » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:16 pm

jimmy57 wrote:05 V70
2005 has less module failures (CEM in particular) comparted to 99-2004 P2 models.
This!

Ac suspension and interior noise im not concerned with.

I do like a firm reassuring suspension and very good heat.
What breaks apart 99-04 to 05+ ?
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Re: Compare the wagons! P2 vs. P80

Post by jimmy57 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:15 pm

The P2 models had a major electrical change for 2005. Most relays dumped in favor of transistor power control, this allowed limiting bulbs to 13V for longer life. CEM and REM had complete renovations. Steering wheel module was revised. High speed CAN network (ABS, ECM, TCM [auto trans], DEM, and CEM) had comm speed increased to 500kbps from 250 kbps.

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Re: Compare the wagons! P2 vs. P80

Post by beigg » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:56 pm

Good explanation. Im not sure if I'd like the 05 steering system.
Obd2 speed has been an aggravation with p80's.
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