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Compare the wagons! P2 vs. P80

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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by abscate » Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:26 am

I love my 2005 9.5/10 for the quiet ride and gas mileage.

The 1999 makes up for it with that amazing seat
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by tryingbe » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:39 am

beigg wrote:Why are the 01+ body styles so attractive yet high maintenance? It's like a hot super model that has a white castle diet. Looks good..... the mess, horrible mess!
More parts = more point of failures.
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by beigg » Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:55 am

Slightly more, but not drastically more when it comes to powertrain and drivetrain. Bells and whistles, yes, but those I would have to ignorantly not see with the comparison.
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by erikv11 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:19 am

beigg wrote:
tryingbe wrote:
beigg wrote:
Can't most of those "1"s be addresed with a pcm flash in the event the need for scheduled I/M is not required?

I thought the 2002+ had the ability for real time tuning/mapping?
When this happens, what are you going to do?

http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... 28#p423028
If it's aftermarket supported with flash software for 100% changes, I'd first start with dtc scanning and proceed to check voltage and amperage areas within the vehicles system. Then if needed, run the built in module tests from the software accounting it would have such features as most I am familiar with contain it.

Chances are that posters issue is alternator or battery (soon to be both) if that is happening to them out of random.
Well, luckily this is not powertrain and drivetrain. 01 transmissions aside, I don't think powertrain and drivetrain is where any increased maintenance comes from.

As an aside: if you have ideas what is going on over there, how about help out the OP with suggestions?
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by beigg » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:25 am

erikv11 wrote:
beigg wrote:
tryingbe wrote:
When this happens, what are you going to do?

http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... 28#p423028
If it's aftermarket supported with flash software for 100% changes, I'd first start with dtc scanning and proceed to check voltage and amperage areas within the vehicles system. Then if needed, run the built in module tests from the software accounting it would have such features as most I am familiar with contain it.

Chances are that posters issue is alternator or battery (soon to be both) if that is happening to them out of random.
Well, luckily this is not powertrain and drivetrain. 01 transmissions aside, I don't think powertrain and drivetrain is where any increased maintenance comes from.

As an aside: if you have ideas what is going on over there, how about help out the OP with suggestions?

Looks like a few suggestions were given that matched my thoughts. Didn't feel my .02 was warranted.
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by precopster » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:35 pm

In 5 years time most of you will be in a P2 or move to another Euro.....the inevitability of time.

By the way once you drive a P2 as a daily driver you will not want to go back to a P80
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by misha » Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:46 pm

P2 cars are pure beauty.
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by beigg » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:40 pm

precopster wrote:By the way once you drive a P2 as a daily driver you will not want to go back to a P80
After driven one prior to having an 850, I can agree to that.

As the saying goes, "first one's free" .
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by beigg » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:41 pm

misha wrote:P2 cars are pure beauty.
with or without white castles?
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Re: compare the wagons!

Post by tryingbe » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:04 am

https://www.ipdusa.com/products/8497/11 ... e-assembly

The PCV pipe/hose is crap.

I'll stick with 98 or older. KThxBye.
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