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C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by belskee » Fri May 26, 2017 9:20 am

Hi all, a few days ago I set about changing a few steering components, inner tie rods, tie rod ends and strut mounts/lower bushes.

A mate let me down on spring compressors so at the time I could only fit the tie rods and ends, with the job done and the car back on the ground the passenger side wheel now rubs the inner arch.

I thought ok probably just tracking, sadly not, wheels now tracked but the wheel still rubs, next thought was the steering stops, but I'm not so sure this is the cause either.

The inside of the tyre is rubbing at the top of the arch on full right lock but it's also rubbing the top rear of the arch on full left lock.

The only thing I can think of is to replace the lower arms, I've changed the strut mounts now as well so the lower arms are all that's left other than the wheel bearing, does anyone have any idea of what else this could be? Thanks james

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Re: C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by belskee » Sat Jun 03, 2017 4:19 am

Ok now I'm just confused, I have replaced the lower arms and the near side tyre is still rubbing the front and rear of the arch.

All I can think of to do is take it into Volvo and have the wheel alignment and camber done there

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Re: C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by misha » Sat Jun 03, 2017 2:54 pm

What tires you have on it?I need number marks.
Rubbing occured after suspension parts replacement?
What brand are those parts?
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Re: C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by belskee » Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:15 am

I had 225,45,17 tyres on, tried 205,45 as well, was a lot better but was still rubbing, the problem occurred after replacing the track rod ends only.

I can't tell you the brand just yet but will have a look later, thanks for your reply

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Re: C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by misha » Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:23 am

225 will rub on full lock.205 are max width on these cars for use without spacers.
Since the problem appeared directly after tie rod ends replacement...it's a bit important what brand it is because OEM parts or good known aftermarket brand would not allow this.
I would say that your allignment is bad after tie rods replacement...but you allready did the allignment.
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Re: C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by belskee » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:00 am

I had the 225s on the front with no issues before changing the rod ends, the brand is vetech sourced from gsf, part number is 436vo0040 for nearside offside ending 50.

I've had problems with wrong tie rods from gsf so now you have me thinking, I did match the new rod ends with the old visually and couldn't see any difference in length, curve etc, it's still stiff since replacing as well so seems ok.

I will add here the reason I've started replacing these bits other than I like to make things new with an old car.

I hit a pothole few months back on the side I'm having trouble with, it bent both front and rear alloys, considering the damage to the wheels and the age of the car I was always going to rebuild the arches.

Other than a bit of wandering I haven't had any other problems after the impact, untill I changed the rod ends, taking this into consideration if these rod end should be ok I think I will take the brake disc off and inspect the hub carrier for possible cracks, something I should have done already in hind sight

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Re: C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by belskee » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:06 am

Something to try but I still have the old rod end, if put put it back on and the rubbing stops it'll be the last time I go to gsf

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Re: C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by scot850 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:23 am

I'm struggling to understand why a tie-rod end of any sort would allow the wheel to rub if the alignment is correct. The length of the steering has to be a fixed length to give correct alignment. Where is the tire rubbing? Is it at the inner front of the tire or rear or both?

If it is at the front, are the plastic rubbing stops still fitted on the control arms? They are only held on with a couple of pop-rivets and have a habit of the rivets breaking on the holes for the rivets breaking out.

If I recall correctly, the 00 may have camber adjustment on the struts, was that checked when alignment was done?

Lastly, was the alignment done correctly? It could be the rack is not centered, so this may allow more lock on one side and not the other. Again, if the limit stops are in place on the front of the lower control arms, then the tires should only have a chance to rub on the rear of the tire.

The only other thing I can think of is if the aftermarket parts are of different lengths R and L and thus allowing the off-center issue I suggested above

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Re: C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by chrafael » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:05 am

I agree with Neil. These cars are sensitive to tie rod length. Measure the adjusted length of each outer tie rod. If they're not within an eighth of an inch of each other they need to be readjusted. Don't go by the steering wheel because it's on a 360 degree spline and can be repositioned later.

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Re: C70 t5 2001 tyre rubbing inner arch

Post by belskee » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:28 am

As I said in my first post the top of tyre is rubbing both front and rear, this alone to me ruled out alignment, i would have thought if the wheel was toeing out it would rub at the rear and not at the front and vice versa if it was toeing in.

I can't vouch for the garage who did the alignment but the car is still wandering so alignment won't be accurate anyway, even if I was at time if doing the job.

The lower arms have been replaced both sides so the blue rubber stops are brand new, it's completely baffled me, I don't think camber was checked so maybe go have Volvo do the alignment and check camber etc?

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