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PSA: Doylestown, PA 1999 Volvo S70 AWD Runs/Drives Doomed for Scrap

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Re: PSA: Doylestown, PA 1999 Volvo S70 AWD Runs/Drives Doomed for Scrap

Post by RickHaleParker » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:22 am

I usually walk away when somebody starts quoting KBB on a used car. KBB was originally developed as a price guide for restored cars. That is what the KBB price is always higher. Shady used car dealers started quoting KBB restored car prices. KBB was more then willing to play along with the scam by "developing" the KBB used car guide.

Edmonds Car Appraiser is a better guide for used cars.
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Re: PSA: Doylestown, PA 1999 Volvo S70 AWD Runs/Drives Doomed for Scrap

Post by bmdubya1198 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:32 am

Edmunds is usually pretty spot on. Research Craigslist, OfferUp, LetGo, Facebook, etc. for pricing on similar cars. Around here, you could probably ask $2500 or so if it's mechanically sound and visually appealing.
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Re: PSA: Doylestown, PA 1999 Volvo S70 AWD Runs/Drives Doomed for Scrap

Post by callahanoffroad » Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:38 am

I'll tell you that used car values are dropping with the severely improved economy. 4 years ago you couldn't find a running car for under $3k. These days I can find p80's and p2's for under $1k locally. The key is to find the right buyer really. A 20 year old car is worth what that person thinks it's worth. I saw a 95 850 turbo here in St. Louis listed for $3500. But personally I'd never pay more than $1k for that car. Side note the seller was claiming that the engine alone was worth $2500... Of course I remember about 6 months ago a stock t5r wagon sold for 12k here on MVS. Personally if I'm looking at cars this old it's because I'm broke. If I had 6-7k to spend on a car I'm looking at 10 year old Volvo's. Just my $.02

Now that all being said I think that car you just picked up could be a fun run around and beat the crap out of it car. Hahahahaha
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Post by RickHaleParker » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:06 pm

bmdubya1198 wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:32 am
Research Craigslist, OfferUp, LetGo, Facebook, etc. for pricing on similar cars.
That will just get you asking prices not selling prices.
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Post by abscate » Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:58 pm

Nada will give you better sales pricing than KBB.

It’s a $1500 Car if good cosmetically, meaning wear, but no holes, rips, and tears.
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Re: PSA: Doylestown, PA 1999 Volvo S70 AWD Runs/Drives Doomed for Scrap

Post by bmdubya1198 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:37 pm

callahanoffroad wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:38 am
I'll tell you that used car values are dropping with the severely improved economy. 4 years ago you couldn't find a running car for under $3k. These days I can find p80's and p2's for under $1k locally. The key is to find the right buyer really. A 20 year old car is worth what that person thinks it's worth. I saw a 95 850 turbo here in St. Louis listed for $3500. But personally I'd never pay more than $1k for that car. Side note the seller was claiming that the engine alone was worth $2500... Of course I remember about 6 months ago a stock t5r wagon sold for 12k here on MVS. Personally if I'm looking at cars this old it's because I'm broke. If I had 6-7k to spend on a car I'm looking at 10 year old Volvo's. Just my $.02

Now that all being said I think that car you just picked up could be a fun run around and beat the crap out of it car. Hahahahaha
Was that the red wagon? That person was nuts.. it was a faded 850 that had a questionable history. $1,500 car. And who's selling 5 cylinders for $2,500? I could get turbo white blocks for $300 all day!

Tell me about it though... I paid $100 for my S90 and my 850 was free. All it cost me was the dolly rental. I paid $300 each for my V70s. The V70R has cost me more than 10 times that now, but at least it was cheap to begin with! Hahaha
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Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:06 pm
That will just get you asking prices not selling prices.
I never pay asking, so you he can ask what seems right based on others' prices. You can always negotiate!
2000 V70R Venetian Red/Charcoal M56 Swapped 193k
2000 S70 GLT Mystic Silver/Taupe 2??k
2003 S60 2.4T Silver/Black 108k
2007 XC90 V8 AWD Sport Titanium Grey/Black 162k
1993 944 Base Beige/Beige 221k
1991 944 Turbo Dark Green/Beige 172k
1992 245 Base White/Beige 249k
Sold-
1998 V70 GLT Black/Beige 199k
1998 S90- Silver/Gray 207k
1995 850 GLT Tropic Green... crushed
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Re: PSA: Doylestown, PA 1999 Volvo S70 AWD Runs/Drives Doomed for Scrap

Post by WhatAmIDoing » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:03 pm

Well, someone already offered me $2k today and he said "all you have to do is install new shocks and struts and patch the exhaust," so I guess it's worth $2k to somebody.

Someone else offered me an $800 manual swap for my 95 850 Turbo. Then they offered me $1k to buy it (double what I paid).
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Re: PSA: Doylestown, PA 1999 Volvo S70 AWD Runs/Drives Doomed for Scrap

Post by WhatAmIDoing » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:50 pm

Checked her out again today. Couldn't get all the gunk off the engine serial plate, but first characters where B525, so I'm just going to assume it is a B5254T. Turbo looks way too big to be stock turbo. Found a puddle under the spare tire, so I guess the trunk leaks. Struts are totally blown, I've never seen struts this bad, and according to the mileage penned on the strut cap they only have 75k miles on them. Played around with the steering. There are definitely spots where it feels tight. Turned it lock to lock a bunch of times and it felt like it was loosening up. Hopefully some grease will fix it. No groaning or moaning from the PS pump. No drips on the pavement. Oil is full and needs changed. Trans fluid is full and looks and smells brand new. PS fluid is clean and red. Brake fluid looks clean with a blue/purple tint.

Still waiting on the title before I can get to work... :roll:
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Re: PSA: Doylestown, PA 1999 Volvo S70 AWD Runs/Drives Doomed for Scrap

Post by RickHaleParker » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:33 pm

WhatAmIDoing wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:50 pm
Checked her out again today. Couldn't get all the gunk off the engine serial plate, but first characters where B525, so I'm just going to assume it is a B5254T. Turbo looks way too big to be stock turbo.
If it is not a B5254T4 it did not come out of a R.

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Applications:
2004–2007 Volvo S60 badged as S60 R AWD
2004–2007 Volvo V70 II badged as V70 R AWD.
Borg Warner/KKK K24 turbo.
The K24 is a big turbo.

Note the AWD and the seller's "reason" for disconnecting the rear drive.
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Re: PSA: Doylestown, PA 1999 Volvo S70 AWD Runs/Drives Doomed for Scrap

Post by WhatAmIDoing » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:50 pm

Just did some digging on the ECU, and I think I've confirmed it is from a 1999 70 series LPT. Doesn't mean it's not tuned for a big turbo, but I'm pretty sure there's no R engine in here.
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