2011 6cyl: No Start (turns over) (edited)

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Re: 2011 6cyl: No Start (turns over) (edited)

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jimmy57 wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 11:06 am Do that anyway as fault detection by the modules is not perfect or 100% reliable. I would verify that it has no spark. If it has spark and smells like raw fuel something else could be wrong.
Understood. I've seen bad ones not register codes before.

Is there a best practice for looking for spark. I know in the old days you could just hold up the plug to ground but I'm seeing posts/videos about damage to coil.
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UPDATE:

OK, we found that fuse #10 was nuked in the box under the hood. This was for ignition/ecu. Took all the leads of direct ignition modules and one by one put them on until we found the one nuking the fuse. It was the DIM closest to to the drivers side. Local AutoZone had a Duralast unit for $50.00

Would still not start!

Pulled all plugs and they look original (FoMoCo) and the XC90 had 130K miles...they are rough but I've seen worse. Between those plugs and all the fuel we may have dumped in it...I'm going to let it sit open to dry out and get new plugs in AM.

Any other thoughts on what could have gone bad the same time the DI module went?

Vida has NO errors at all showing still!
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Yes, you can check for spark by putting a spark plug into coil boot and then laying the plug threads on head or other engine metal for ground and then cranking it over a few revs. Since it is individual coils the spark will seem infrequent if you check just one. Did you try cranking with it floored? If it's flooded it might be reluctant to go.

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jimmy57 wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:30 pm Yes, you can check for spark by putting a spark plug into coil boot and then laying the plug threads on head or other engine metal for ground and then cranking it over a few revs. Since it is individual coils the spark will seem infrequent if you check just one. Did you try cranking with it floored? If it's flooded it might be reluctant to go.
Thanks. That test makes sense...I've just seen a lot of guys claim one can damage the direct ignition module this way...but I have always been skeptical.

I'm sure he pumped the gas a few times with the 50+ starts we've tried over the last 48 hours. Don't think it was floored but the smell of gas was moderate when the plugs were out...we'll have the plugs all open for the night, should solve that issue.

Update in the AM with new iridium plugs in it!
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I recently changed a jumped timing belts on a 1.9L. After the belt change it would not start. Disconnected the camshaft postition sensor, it took a extended crank but eventually the ECM got it started using the lookup tables. After that it starts right up with the CPS connected.

You might try disconnecting the CPS or MAF and force the ECM to rethink. The ECM has some AI code in it, sometimes you got to play with it's mind to get it out of a mind set. A virtual bop on the head.
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RickHaleParker wrote: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:58 pm I recently changed a jumped timing belts on a 1.9L. After the belt change it would not start. Disconnected the camshaft postition sensor, it took a extended crank but eventually the ECM got it started using the lookup tables. After that it starts right up with the CPS connected.

You might try disconnecting the CPS or MAF and force the ECM to rethink. The ECM has some AI code in it, sometimes you got to play with it's mind to get it out of a mind set.
Thanks for the input...I don't doubt this at all. I think from my reading (and theories) doing a battery disconnect and touching the +/- to dissipate any residual power in modules would have a similar effect. Will consider it all as it sure seems like it may have "stored" some type of concern...just surprised Vida doesn't log anything at this point! I've had many a Volvo with bad direct ignition modules not leave a single code in Vida, so not surprised this time. But just scratching head on what it still could be in light of the found bad coil.

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