IPD sale Volvo Parts
Did you know? 🤔
Logged in users can get email notification of topic replies Log in or register (free).
Amazon Link Buy your stuff using this and it helps MVS!

On SHELL 89 grade fuel - Improved mileage? Topic is solved

Help, Advice, Owners' Discussion and DIY Tutorials devoted to the second generation C70, S40 and V50 Volvos -- awkwardly model year 2004 ½ onwards -- plus where to go for advice and discussion on Volvo's sporty C30 Coupe powered by Volvo's ubiquitous inline 5-cylinder power plant.
Posts: 6195
Joined: Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:25 am
Year and Model: 2004 V70R GT, et al
Location: Ponder Texas
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 134 times

Re: On SHELL 89 grade fuel - Improved mileage?

Post by jimmy57 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:09 am

Advancing timing will make it knock worse. If you have the peak fuel burn occur when the combustion space is less then the pressure and thus temp is higher. The higher temp will make deposits in cylinder and the spark plug ground electrode hot enough to be ignition source without spark (pre-ignition) and the higher pressures reached in the moment of fuel explosion will push the fuel air mix into self ignition range (detonation). If you retard timing then the space for combustion to occur with spark is greater and therefore peak pressures and temp will be lower. Lower temps will have less effect to make deposits and spark plug ground electrode hot enough to light off fuel/air mix.

The coolant temp is affected inverse. Advanced timing will cool coolant temps as the cylinder head is so full of valves and spark plug that heat transfer to coolant is low. If an engine runs hot idling there is an almost universal strategy used that advances ignition timing when idling to cool engine temps down. Retarding timing on cold starts is an almost universal strategy for the opposite reason as the piston being down in bore when peak burn temp occurs gives the heat a good path to coolant through cylinder wall and will heat coolant more readily. The late timing also will result in higher exhaust gas temps due to the burn not being complete when exhaust valves open. Catalysts and oxygen sensor warming is sped up by the retarded timing in the first minute or so. The flame leaving exhaust port from late timing is also used as an ignition of the trailing end of the last cylinder's exhaust discharge that can and does often times have unburned fuel in it. The extra fuel injected into a cold engine has a significant component of fuel that condenses as a liquid onto piston and head surfaces. The ignition of the fuel air mix heats up the liquid and it evaporates but some of this is too late to be burned so it leaves as raw fuel (hydrocarbon emissions) down exhaust and is not something the catalyst can take care of. The air pumps used for some years were used to pump air into exhaust to handle the HC emissions in the first minute or two. Variable cam timing together with retarded ignition timing handle the HC emissions far more reliably than air pumps and their plumbing ever did. Exhaust CVVT was about this and was not much of a contributor to engine torque or HP when it was fitted beginning in 1999.
These users thanked the author jimmy57 for the post:

Posts: 11
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:01 pm
Year and Model: 2015 V60 2008 C30
Location: Tampa
Has thanked: 3 times
Been thanked: 3 times
United States of America

Re: On SHELL 89 grade fuel - Improved mileage?

Post by okidiver » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:47 pm

Great stuff and yes, I do remember air pumps, but didn't realize they were only for cold starts. Pretty big piece of equipment sitting in the engine bay just for a couple minutes of a cold start.

Posts: 20
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:01 am
Year and Model: 2009 C30 2.0i
Location: Spain
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: On SHELL 89 grade fuel - Improved mileage?

Post by jtopiso » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:11 am

As I understand it:
If it preignites, it is because the pressure&temp is so high that the fuel/air in there that it burns expontaneously.
So you have some solutions:

1.-Start a flame front before it preignites, to do a controlled burn. "Before" implyes advancing ignition. This means not all the energy of the combustion will be used to push the piston down (it will startt burning before the TDC), so you are wasting power (but avoiding pre-ignition).

2.-Use a richer mixture, to lower the temperature of the compressed mix. Fuel vaporization will cool the combustion chamber. You will be richer than the estequiometric A/F ratio, so some fuel will be unburnt (wasted, so worst mileage), and I guess emissions will be worse (better for NOx, but worse for unburnt hydrocarbures).

3.-Use higher octane fuel, so high pressure and temperatures can be tolerated without pre-ignition. This way, combustion can be initiated by the spark just in the right moment, making sure the combustion doesn't increase pressure in the chamber while the piston is still going up, to get the maximum energy from the combustion to the piston along all the down stroke.

Post Reply