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As anyone who knows me will tell you, I like to talk cars... A LOT. So naturally I attend many car meets and events and have had a chance to talk to lots of car enthusiasts. I often hear people mention that such and such car has x horsepower and X torque, but I should be extra impressed with the torque number because that's what's really important. If you consider yourself a car enthusiast than you have certainly heard some version of this, or maybe the saying: "horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races." In reality, this misconception couldn't be farther from the truth.

Horsepower and torque are related in that horsepower is a function of torque and rpm. In other words, horsepower is the rate at which torque is delivered. The equation for horsepower is:
hp = (torque x rpm) / 5252
To explain how this works, let me first give a basic physics lesson. A unit of torque consists of a unit of distance followed by a unit of force (or in some cases a unit of weight, which on earth can be considered a unit of force due to gravity). The unit of torque defines a situation in which the unit of force is attempting to rotate a hypothetical lever of length defined by the unit of distance.

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So 1 ft-lb describes a situation in which a hypothetical lever of length 1 ft has a force of 1 lb trying to rotate it about a pivot. The force and distance values are multiplied together to give the total torque, for example a 2 lb weight sitting at the end of a 2 ft long lever would provide 4 ft-lbs.

Imagine for a second that you were to attach an 8 ft long 2x4 to the wheel of your car and you stood on the far end to attempt to turn the wheel. I weigh 150 lbs, so in my case this would provide 1200 ft-lbs (8 x 150) of torque. So if you can make 1200 ft-lbs of torque with your body weight and a 2x4, why do we need engines? Because even though you are making as much torque as a Mack truck for an instant, as soon as the wheel begins to turn you will hit the ground and have to reposition the lever in order to move the wheel again. Since horsepower is the rate at which torque is supplied, and torque cannot be continuously supplied in this situation, horsepower is essentially 0.

Building on this example, you can imagine that if you could find a way to continuously turn that 8 ft lever at high speed you would be able to get the car to move quite fast. Since torque is continuously supplied at a high rate in this case, you would be making high horsepower. This example shows how you need both torque AND rpm in order to accelerate a car, in other words the only thing that matters is horsepower.

Since horsepower is the only thing that matters, you want as much horsepower as you can get throughout the rev range. Engines that make more torque at lower rpm consequently make more horsepower at lower rpm, which results in higher average horsepower throughout the rpm range. However, this same advantage can be accomplished by spinning the engine to a higher rpm to make more horsepower up top. The reality is that it does not matter if horsepower is made by increasing low end torque or high end rpm, all that matters is the average horsepower the engine makes throughout its useful rev range, or to put it mathematically, area under the curve.


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Engines that make more torque at lower rpm consequently make more horsepower at lower rpm, which results in higher average horsepower throughout the rpm range. However, this same advantage can be accomplished by spinning the engine to a higher rpm to make more horsepower up top.
It is because of this that I love turbo engines.

While a low-pressure turbo car may not be the fastest in a race, it makes for a very driveable, "peppy" car around town or where you really use the power most. A flat torque curve starting at a low RPM means much more "usable" power without flooring the car.

A T5 Volvo reminds me of a Honda engine in a way...nothing down low, but a great powerband at the top of the rev range from 4000-6000.

Meanwhile, a LPT car like my Cruze or a GLT Volvo feel like a bigger engine than they are (a V6 or bigger I4 in some cases) because they really don't have to rev a lot to put down power. Put your foot down anywhere in the lower rev ranges, that little turbo will spool up instantly and actually provide a good amount of acceleration without the engine screaming away. But you quickly find out when you downshift that it was already giving you everything it had.

Different people have different preferences, but that's mine!
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Yea, LPT is more useful than HPT in 90% of driving.

My favorite definition of torque:

UNDERSTEER is when you hit the wall forward.
OVERSTEER is when you hit the wall backward.
HORSEPOWER is how fast you hit the wall.
TORQUE is how far the wall moves after you hit it.

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Nice little write-up on the basics, thx Mat!

I'm exactly in the hp v torque dilemma right now, I'm getting a new truck this fall that I have the freedom to spec myself, to get back to the truck torque you mentioned (poor little Mack, 1200ftlbs?)

Volvo Trucks North America at MATS unveiled an "XE" (extreme efficiency) version of their 16l engine, the regular D16 in highest output has 550hp/1850ftlbs, the XE has 500hp/2050ftlbs & is to be geared to run around 200rpm lower than the regular spec, VTNA claims 3% fuel savings, so far so good, I'll take the 2050 torque!
Now this year at MATS VTNA unveiled a new 600/2050 rating for the regular D16, cranking about 550hp & 2050lftlbs @ 1500rpm after which torque drops.
I would still go for the XE if the LCV version wasn't only available in 140k lbs GCW trim, even though we haul B-trains grossing 137k, we usually spec for 110k for lower price & weight with no problems.
So now the question is how much will that XE really save in fuel to make up for the higher price & lost freight?
Apart from that it's time VTNA comes out with a new truck with bigger rad to support big power, in the EU cabover they're running the D16 @ 750hp/~2800ftlbs (3550Nm)

Hope that's not too much trucker talk, thought it might be interesting for some.

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Don't thank me, Ben, thank Rye of RZ Design :-).

Haha, not too much for me, with the exception of having to read four-figure torque numbers instead of three (or back in the 1980s, reading Car & Driver, two).
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Yes ^. Torque is the measure of twisting force. HP is the measure of work done/time.
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The LPT is beaten only by the HPT and the 5 speed stick....oh wait, that's what I have.....

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I have the 98V70XC. I want to make the mods or improvements in the order that will improve efficiency(breathing) and everyday driving without sacrificing the low end and everyday driveability. going to replace the turbo, solenoid valve, all tubing vacuum and boost. going to transfer my 850NA intake manifold and 960 throttle body as well as stage 1 tune and injector rebuild and clean. considering an aftermarket downpipe? I'm factoring in cost, benefit and the time it takes to access and change these components later if I don't change them out now and have to later. 100K and also thinking about valve stem seals, PCV replace and the 5/8" modification to the PCV breather line. the appropriate tune from Lucky goes without saying.

suggestions or what am I misssing?

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