Oil brand, viscosity, type, mileage?

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What oil brands do you use?

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Pennzoil
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Castrol
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Valvoline
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Re: Oil brand, viscosity, type, mileage?

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Our 2006 BMW came factory spec 15000 oil change interval. When I did first PCV service , there was light sludge , so I've since changed to 7500 miles. We are 160k now with no burning and at 1 liter/ 7500 mile consumption, where it was when we bought it in 2009
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Post by Georgeandkira »

Is that 12,500 MILES or km?
Seems high and I don't remember seeing 12,500 miles as an OCI in the manual (No. American) when I had my '02.
Things change, I suppose.

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Georgeandkira wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:17 am Is that 12,500 MILES or km?
Seems high and I don't remember seeing 12,500 miles as an OCI in the manual (No. American) when I had my '02.
Things change, I suppose.
Swedish P2 platform cars have a 20000 km or once a year interval until My05 when it's increased to 30000 km together with a change to A5/B5 spec oil.

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Rattnalle wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:02 am
Georgeandkira wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:17 am Is that 12,500 MILES or km?
Seems high and I don't remember seeing 12,500 miles as an OCI in the manual (No. American) when I had my '02.
Things change, I suppose.
Swedish P2 platform cars have a 20000 km or once a year interval until My05 when it's increased to 30000 km together with a change to A5/B5 spec oil.

I don't think that is correct. Here are pictures of my factory maintenance schedule it says applies to all 2004 models (first two) and (second two) are out of my owners manual and are for the 2.9 and 2.9 T6 equipped P2 S80. The big difference seems to be the addition of 5w40 in the owners manual chart which is for the 2.9 engines. I see no 20000 km oci anywhere on here.
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June wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:12 am
Rattnalle wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:02 am
Georgeandkira wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:17 am Is that 12,500 MILES or km?
Seems high and I don't remember seeing 12,500 miles as an OCI in the manual (No. American) when I had my '02.
Things change, I suppose.
Swedish P2 platform cars have a 20000 km or once a year interval until My05 when it's increased to 30000 km together with a change to A5/B5 spec oil.

I don't think that is correct. Here are pictures of my factory maintenance schedule it says applies to all 2004 models (first two) and (second two) are out of my owners manual and are for the 2.9 and 2.9 T6 equipped P2 S80. The big difference seems to be the addition of 5w40 in the owners manual chart which is for the 2.9 engines. I see no 20000 km oci anywhere on here.
It is for cars sold on the Swedish market. Those pages look entirely different in the Swedish owners manual as well. Ill post a few pictures later when I have access to them.

In Vida you get the service charts side by side and they are completely different for different markets. The oil requirements are different as well.

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Rattnalle wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:33 am
June wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:12 am
Rattnalle wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:02 am
Swedish P2 platform cars have a 20000 km or once a year interval until My05 when it's increased to 30000 km together with a change to A5/B5 spec oil.

I don't think that is correct. Here are pictures of my factory maintenance schedule it says applies to all 2004 models (first two) and (second two) are out of my owners manual and are for the 2.9 and 2.9 T6 equipped P2 S80. The big difference seems to be the addition of 5w40 in the owners manual chart which is for the 2.9 engines. I see no 20000 km oci anywhere on here.
It is for cars sold on the Swedish market. Those pages look entirely different in the Swedish owners manual as well. Ill post a few pictures later when I have access to them.

In Vida you get the service charts side by side and they are completely different for different markets. The oil requirements are different as well.
Keep in mind most on here bought their car used from the posts I read. They may not have all the factory books and not know the requirements for say the North American continent. We undoubtedly have a much hotter climate than Sweeden and likely different oil spec.

So take a 2004 anything Volvo made which clearly for North America has a 7,500 mile 12,000 km requirement for both synthetic and conventional and for someone to run it to 20,000 km which is way over the North American requirements, engine failure undoubtedly would occur much sooner than normal. I posted those photos of both my owners manual which is for P2 2.9 and 2.9 T6 and the maintenance booklet spec for all 2004 Volvo models (North America). Otherwise there undoubtedly would be the fool with a 2004 leaving oil in for 12.5K miles or even 15K miles because they read that on here and don't have the factory books.

After driving Volvos for 28 years one thing I know for sure is everything is tested long before it hits my driveway. The current 2017 Volvo has a 10,000 mile oci with synthetic as required. I thought about purchasing a S90 and drove a XC 90 for 10 days before the S 90 hit our lots. I personally thought Volvo lost their minds for 10K oci. I don't think the upcoming full electric cars have oil changes and I look forward to that. June
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June wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:28 pm
Rattnalle wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:33 am
June wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:12 am


I don't think that is correct. Here are pictures of my factory maintenance schedule it says applies to all 2004 models (first two) and (second two) are out of my owners manual and are for the 2.9 and 2.9 T6 equipped P2 S80. The big difference seems to be the addition of 5w40 in the owners manual chart which is for the 2.9 engines. I see no 20000 km oci anywhere on here.
It is for cars sold on the Swedish market. Those pages look entirely different in the Swedish owners manual as well. Ill post a few pictures later when I have access to them.

In Vida you get the service charts side by side and they are completely different for different markets. The oil requirements are different as well.
Keep in mind most on here bought their car used from the posts I read. They may not have all the factory books and not know the requirements for say the North American continent. We undoubtedly have a much hotter climate than Sweeden and likely different oil spec.

So take a 2004 anything Volvo made which clearly for North America has a 7,500 mile 12,000 km requirement for both synthetic and conventional and for someone to run it to 20,000 km which is way over the North American requirements, engine failure undoubtedly would occur much sooner than normal. I posted those photos of both my owners manual which is for P2 2.9 and 2.9 T6 and the maintenance booklet spec for all 2004 Volvo models (North America). Otherwise there undoubtedly would be the fool with a 2004 leaving oil in for 12.5K miles or even 15K miles because they read that on here and don't have the factory books.

After driving Volvos for 28 years one thing I know for sure is everything is tested long before it hits my driveway. The current 2017 Volvo has a 10,000 mile oci with synthetic as required. I thought about purchasing a S90 and drove a XC 90 for 10 days before the S 90 hit our lots. I personally thought Volvo lost their minds for 10K oci. I don't think the upcoming full electric cars have oil changes and I look forward to that. June
Do note that I do not in any way suggest that you should deviate from Volvos recommendations for you particular car.

These recommendations do differ for different markets. There are differences between european sold cars and NA sold cars. Attached is the corresponding page on oil from the Swedish V70 owners manual for MY04. The manual does not however contain the service charts, these are in a separate booklet which I do not have a picture of on hand. I do however know that a european spec MY04 has a 20k km OCI since i happen to own one.

And yes, many parts of NA have a hotter climate than Sweden (a summers day here is rarely more than 85-90 f) but there are also plenty of areas in NA with a very similar climate year round. You also don't have to drive that far south from Sweden to find yourself in 100+ temperatures. The oil spec however is quite different I'm sure.

As for 10k miles OCI, european 850s used to have the same (15k km) from the first year and on without a requirement for synthetic oil.
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Rattnalle wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:24 pm
June wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:28 pm
Rattnalle wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:33 am
It is for cars sold on the Swedish market. Those pages look entirely different in the Swedish owners manual as well. Ill post a few pictures later when I have access to them.

In Vida you get the service charts side by side and they are completely different for different markets. The oil requirements are different as well.
Keep in mind most on here bought their car used from the posts I read. They may not have all the factory books and not know the requirements for say the North American continent. We undoubtedly have a much hotter climate than Sweeden and likely different oil spec.

So take a 2004 anything Volvo made which clearly for North America has a 7,500 mile 12,000 km requirement for both synthetic and conventional and for someone to run it to 20,000 km which is way over the North American requirements, engine failure undoubtedly would occur much sooner than normal. I posted those photos of both my owners manual which is for P2 2.9 and 2.9 T6 and the maintenance booklet spec for all 2004 Volvo models (North America). Otherwise there undoubtedly would be the fool with a 2004 leaving oil in for 12.5K miles or even 15K miles because they read that on here and don't have the factory books.

After driving Volvos for 28 years one thing I know for sure is everything is tested long before it hits my driveway. The current 2017 Volvo has a 10,000 mile oci with synthetic as required. I thought about purchasing a S90 and drove a XC 90 for 10 days before the S 90 hit our lots. I personally thought Volvo lost their minds for 10K oci. I don't think the upcoming full electric cars have oil changes and I look forward to that. June
Do note that I do not in any way suggest that you should deviate from Volvos recommendations for you particular car.

These recommendations do differ for different markets. There are differences between european sold cars and NA sold cars. Attached is the corresponding page on oil from the Swedish V70 owners manual for MY04. The manual does not however contain the service charts, these are in a separate booklet which I do not have a picture of on hand. I do however know that a european spec MY04 has a 20k km OCI since i happen to own one.

And yes, many parts of NA have a hotter climate than Sweden (a summers day here is rarely more than 85-90 f) but there are also plenty of areas in NA with a very similar climate year round. You also don't have to drive that far south from Sweden to find yourself in 100+ temperatures. The oil spec however is quite different I'm sure.

As for 10k miles OCI, european 850s used to have the same (15k km) from the first year and on without a requirement for synthetic oil.
There must be a difference in the oil itself or maybe emissions control or possibly cleaner fuel in Europe. There is something to cause Volvo to recommend vastly different oci.

My car has had dealership changed oil (3,000) mile oci with synthetic since new and under my oil cap is black. I have 143k now. I have no doubt my engine would be plugged up with sludge had I used conventional at 7500 mile oci. I didn't discover this until last year when a cam seal started leaking and I added oil for the first time since new. I really was upset because I expected the engine to stay clean inside.

Here is a picture I took of my 2.9 T6 under the oil cap a few months ago for a thread on synthetic oil required on certain models XC 70. June
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There is something different. The vast marketing machine of over zealous oil change shops making huge margins on oil changes,transmission flushes, and Jesus pin lubrications

There is one way to determine the correct oil change interval for your car, driven by you, in your locale. Oil testing.
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abscate wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:21 pm There is something different. The vast marketing machine of over zealous oil change shops making huge margins on oil changes,transmission flushes, and Jesus pin lubrications

There is one way to determine the correct oil change interval for your car, driven by you, in your locale. Oil testing.
I have read up on oil and am really pissed off my car has not been getting true synthetic oil all these years thanks to Castrol. Apparently when Castrol entered the market with synthetics they use petroleum for their base stock called a group 3 and is not true synthetic oil. Mobil sued Castrol and lost so they too use group 3 as base stock as a result because it is cheaper than (if I have this right ) POA, or esters as the base stock. Why not it's all about the buck! I say F you Mobil and Castrol! That is why every brand makes"synthetic" oil. Apparently here in the USA they can call oil refined from petroleum Synthetic as long as they don't say 100% synthetic. Apparently Red Line oil is 100% synthetic from esters group 5 and only the top tier AMSOIL product is 100% from POA base stock group 4.

In Europe synthetic oil is synthetic oil group 4 or 5 base stock which allows up to 25,000 or one year oci supposedly. I am switching to Redline in my T6, but 3000 mile change unless I feel it is still protecting the engine.

So all that money I spent on synthetic oil that was not true synthetic oil pisses me off royally. As a result I have crud in my engine!!!

Volvo Corporation knows their engines as they test everything rigorously and clearly they know American synthetic oil is not true synthetic oil. Therefore recommend shorter OCI than Europe who is getting true 100% synthetic oil capable of 25,000 miles supposedly. June
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