For most of the rest of the world milage is a concern since fuel has a cost. You don't want a car that uses a lot of fuel without delivering anything in return. The T6 delivers quite a bit more power and has roughly the same consumption. If you don't need or want the power there's no sense in buying the 3.2, you're better off with a cheaper to drive 2.5T or even the 2.0. Either of these engines will last longer than the rest of the car if maintained since none of them have a spectacular power/size ratio. At least not by European standards where engines larger than 2.5l typically is a performance car only thing. Especially with diesels a 1.6-2.0 l engine has been viable for cars this size for quite a while now if you're not interested in top performance.RickHaleParker wrote: 21 May 2019, 23:12Nice ride, not everybody needs or wants a performance car.
The way to get 300,000+ miles out of a engine is, do not tap it's full performance potential and do the maintenance.
There are a lot of people out there that are clueless when it come to picking the right car for them. They bitch and blame the product when they make the wrong choice. That can be said for a lot of things other then cars.
There is no best car in the world, only the best one for you if, you know what you need ... need not want.
Tim Taylor syndrome is becoming an epidemic. Lot of sick people out there.
A quick primer on the P3 engine options please?
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For the general population but some of the configurations are executive cars. That is they are configured for hauling around CEOs, middle level managers, government officials and business owners, where reliability is more of an issue then a higher tax rate. Yet one still wants decent power to weight ratio.Rattnalle wrote: 22 May 2019, 00:19 At least not by European standards where engines larger than 2.5l typically is a performance car only thing. Especially with diesels a 1.6-2.0 l engine has been viable for cars this size for quite a while now if you're not interested in top performance.
If you buy turbo charged cars for your fleet, you can bet the employees will run them harder and drive up your operating cost.
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A modern turbocharged engine doesn't have longevity or reliability issues any more than a NA engine does. It's other factors that will decide reliability. Buying high performance cars invite harder driving which will increase costs for sure. But that isn't an argument for having an engine that's large and inefficient but not really high performance to make up for it. Either you want performance or you don't.RickHaleParker wrote: 22 May 2019, 07:52For the general population but some of the configurations are executive cars. That is they are configured for hauling around CEOs, middle level managers, government officials and business owners, where reliability is more of an issue then a higher tax rate. Yet one still wants decent power to weight ratio.Rattnalle wrote: 22 May 2019, 00:19 At least not by European standards where engines larger than 2.5l typically is a performance car only thing. Especially with diesels a 1.6-2.0 l engine has been viable for cars this size for quite a while now if you're not interested in top performance.
If you buy turbo charged cars for your fleet, you can bet the employees will run them harder and drive up your operating cost.
Executive car option would have been the XC90 or S80 V8 during this generation.
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So, some of them have the old white block 2.5T,
Some have 3.2 NA six (a different block architecture I take it - shorter in length),
Some have a T4 turbo four (This seems to be a different block design from the white block?),
Then there's a T5 turbo four (same engine more power?),
Then we have a T6 straight six turbo with a ton of power (this is the same block as 3.2?).
Preferences? Any he should avoid? (3.2?)
(More background - he is a non-mechanical person and does not rod cars, has had a Prius and an Outback in the past)
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<EDIT> Rattnalle, I just saw your post re 2.5 vs 3.2 vs T6 vs 2.0, thanks. Is the T4 a 2-liter?
Some have 3.2 NA six (a different block architecture I take it - shorter in length),
Some have a T4 turbo four (This seems to be a different block design from the white block?),
Then there's a T5 turbo four (same engine more power?),
Then we have a T6 straight six turbo with a ton of power (this is the same block as 3.2?).
Preferences? Any he should avoid? (3.2?)
(More background - he is a non-mechanical person and does not rod cars, has had a Prius and an Outback in the past)
Thanks for your input -
<EDIT> Rattnalle, I just saw your post re 2.5 vs 3.2 vs T6 vs 2.0, thanks. Is the T4 a 2-liter?
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The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of any isolated system always increases. The greater the complexity the greater the rate of entropy ....Rattnalle wrote: 22 May 2019, 09:40 A modern turbocharged engine doesn't have longevity or reliability issues any more than a NA engine does.
This is why people yearn for simpler things.
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2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
1998 C70, B5234T3, 16T, AW50-42, Bosch Motronic 4.4, Special Edition package.
2017 Ford PIU. 3.5l, Twin Turbo, 365 Hp.
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2003 S40, B4204T3, 14T twin scroll AW55-50/51SN, Siemens EMS 2000. ( Killed by a plastic radiator. )
2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
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