That’s ubiscuitous
Dealing with fading clearcoat on 850s
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Not U-biscuit-ous they are P80s not biscuits.
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I think "ubiquitous" tells the story but if we're going to be pedantic (great!) then at least tally the numbers accurately (they weren't). For P80 cars if we also add in rguzz's new post then so far we have:
(peeling, not)
1 unclassified - Sonic's we don't know for sure (but likely peeling because it is ubiquitous on P80's by now!)
(0,1) - Rick's datum
(2,2) - my data
(2,3) - abscate's
(1,2) - Clemens'
(1,0) - rguzz's
overall (6,8) or 6 peeling, 8 not peeling.
(peeling, not)
1 unclassified - Sonic's we don't know for sure (but likely peeling because it is ubiquitous on P80's by now!)
(0,1) - Rick's datum
(2,2) - my data
(2,3) - abscate's
(1,2) - Clemens'
(1,0) - rguzz's
overall (6,8) or 6 peeling, 8 not peeling.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 201k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 223k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 201k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 223k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
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Well, my S70 (nautic blue) had the same problems on the bonnet and on the front fender on the left. I cleaned the spots really well and treated it with some clear coat to stop further flaking.
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(0,1) - Rick's datumerikv11 wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 12:17
1 unclassified - Sonic's we don't know for sure (but likely peeling because it is ubiquitous on P80's by now!)
(0,1) - Rick's datum
(2,2) - my data
(2,3) - abscate's
(1,2) - Clemens'
(1,0) - rguzz's
overall (6,8) or 6 peeling, 8 not peeling.
(2,2) - my data
(2,3) - abscate's
(1,2) - Clemens'
(1,0) - rguzz's
(1,0) - Ocelot
Tally: (7,8) or 7 peeling, 8 not peeling. ~50/50. Not everywhere dos not meet the criteria for ubiquitous.
Point is: the only reasonable course of action is to ask. Assuming it peeling because you think it is an ubiquitous condition will result in a ~ 50% defect rate.
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Who said don't ask? Of course ask. We still don't know for sure about Sonic's car, beyond that it has paint issues.
Ubiquitous is experiential not mathematical. It denotes "seen commonly" not "the only thing you will see." It refers to what we seem to encounter around us, not to some percentage. One half of a 50/50 distribution could easily qualify as ubiquitous and could easily not.
I see a lot of P80 cars, including many with peeling clearcoat. Make of that what you will.
Ubiquitous is experiential not mathematical. It denotes "seen commonly" not "the only thing you will see." It refers to what we seem to encounter around us, not to some percentage. One half of a 50/50 distribution could easily qualify as ubiquitous and could easily not.
I see a lot of P80 cars, including many with peeling clearcoat. Make of that what you will.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 201k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 223k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 201k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 223k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
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Ubiquitous comes from ubiquity which means "everywhere" . 1/2 is not everywhere.
Your N=2 does not extrapolate to the rest of the world.
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2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
1998 C70, B5234T3, 16T, AW50-42, Bosch Motronic 4.4, Special Edition package.
2017 Ford PIU. 3.5l, Twin Turbo, 365 Hp.
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2003 S40, B4204T3, 14T twin scroll AW55-50/51SN, Siemens EMS 2000. ( Killed by a plastic radiator. )
2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
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RickHaleParker wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 22:45Ubiquitous comes from ubiquity which means "everywhere" . 1/2 is not everywhere.
Your N=2 does not extrapolate to the rest of the world.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 201k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 223k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 201k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 223k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
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A strawman argument. That getting real weak. I did look it up and you know I did.
At the least you should of been able to deduce that I did.
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2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
1998 C70, B5234T3, 16T, AW50-42, Bosch Motronic 4.4, Special Edition package.
2017 Ford PIU. 3.5l, Twin Turbo, 365 Hp.
............................
Past
2003 S40, B4204T3, 14T twin scroll AW55-50/51SN, Siemens EMS 2000. ( Killed by a plastic radiator. )
2004 S60R, B8444S TF80 AWD. Yamaha V8 conversion ( I moved, the project did not )
2005 XC90 T6 Executive, B6294T, 4T65 AWD, Bosch Motronic 7.0. ( Transmission dead after sitting for a winter )
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