oil filter wrenches and filter sockets

[454cid]

I changed my oil today. I had a Mahl OC204 on there which has the flats enabling the use of a cap style filter socket. When I installed it, I was using my uncle's garage, and used his socket. I don't have one the correct size here at home. I removed it with a strap wrench (made of seat belt material), as there isn't clearance for my metal band type wrench that I typically use on my truck.

When I re-installed a filter, I used one of the smaller diameter ChampXL synthetic filters that I bought (PH2835XL). I have a filter socket that will work on that filter.

I also have a Mann which I know many here prefer, and those don't have the flats for a filter socket. I can get a filter pretty tight by hand, although I usually turn them just a bit more with a wrench. I typically can't remove them by hand. How do you install/remove them?

[volvolugnut]

After a few failures to remove filters without total destruction, I use a half turn from contact method after oiling the gasket. Most often this is about fully tight by hand. This method has never had a leak on any vehicle. I typically have to use the steel band clamp to loosen.
volvolugnut

[454cid]

I typically have to use the steel band clamp to loosen.
volvolugnut

Hmm, how are you getting clearance for that? I tried putting the band at an angle, but I didn't want to permanently bend the band. It seemed to me that the subframe/cradle was in the way, of the handle, but maybe I didn't spend enough time with it before getting my strap wrench.

[MoVolvos]

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I have the 3 Legged, various Cap type, 36mm but the best is a very large 20" pair of channel locks.

http://www.geniustools.net/products/thr ... er-wrench/

https://www.autobarn.net/cta-oil-filter ... -93mm.html

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/oil-ca ... g-cta-2574

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=20+channel+lo ... 1553279363

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[454cid]

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I have the 3 Legged, various Cap type, 36mm but the best is a very large 20" pair of channel locks.

http://www.geniustools.net/products/thr ... er-wrench/

https://www.autobarn.net/cta-oil-filter ... -93mm.html

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/oil-ca ... g-cta-2574

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=20+channel+lo ... 1553279363

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I had forgotten about the 3-legged type. I've never used that design. Do they grab the filter well, or do they tend to slip?

I've seen "pliers" made for filters but have never used them. I can see large Channel Locks working, and unlike the band type filter wrench would probably work at a downward angle. Very large Channel Locks are what I used when installing a new serpentine belt.... I should probably buy a pair even if I don't use them for filters.

[MoVolvos]

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I have the 3 Legged, various Cap type, 36mm but the best is a very large 20" pair of channel locks.

http://www.geniustools.net/products/thr ... er-wrench/

https://www.autobarn.net/cta-oil-filter ... -93mm.html

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/oil-ca ... g-cta-2574

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=20+channel+lo ... 1553279363

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I had forgotten about the 3-legged type. I've never used that design. Do they grab the filter well, or do they tend to slip?

I've seen "pliers" made for filters but have never used them. I can see large Channel Locks working, and unlike the band type filter wrench would probably work at a downward angle. Very large Channel Locks are what I used when installing a new serpentine belt.... I should probably buy a pair even if I don't use them for filters.

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The large pliers only need to budge the filter a little and the rest is easy. The 3-legged is hard to start up but wrapping a rubber band around it (just thought of that) will help the legs stay in contact with the filter. It will crush the filter thereby making it easier to remove if indeed the filter is stuck. The cap type is hit and miss in terms of quality. Some are not formed well or sized too large for the stated size. The pliers is my first choice when changing oil.

Forgot where I saw this yesterday but the filter is tightened 1 full turn after making contact then backed off just a little. Oh, a zip lock is part of the tools as it wraps around the filter, when possible to catch the oil. 03 Honda Odyssey.
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[454cid]

The large pliers only need to budge the filter a little and the rest is easy. The 3-legged is hard to start up but wrapping a rubber band around it (just thought of that) will help the legs stay in contact with the filter. It will crush the filter thereby making it easier to remove if indeed the filter is stuck. The cap type is hit and miss in terms of quality. Some are not formed well or sized too large for the stated size. The pliers is my first choice when changing oil.

It sounds like I need to find the right size cap or maybe use the strap for the smooth Mann filter. I'm mostly concerned with finding a good solution for installation....for tightening just a bit more than hand tight. Today, I used a smaller filter, but later when I go back to the standard diameter, I'm not sure that I'll be able to grab tightly a hold of it given it's proximity to the pan sides.

I did have a plastic cap snap in half several years ago.

Forgot where I saw this yesterday but the filter is tightened 1 full turn after making contact then backed off just a little. Oh, a zip lock is part of the tools as it wraps around the filter, when possible to catch the oil. 03 Honda Odyssey.

I've heard of using a bag, also seen a cup demonstrated. I could try it, although I'm not crazy about having an oily bag.

[abscate]

h, a zip lock is part of the tools as it wraps around the filter, when possible to catch the oil. 03 Honda Odyssey.

Added to my toolbox of knowledge. Brilliant.

[Sveedy]

Strap type to remove - hand tighten apx 3/4+ turns from point of contact. I can honestly say that after doing this for more than half a century
( damn that sounds long ) on many many cars & trucks, I have never had a leak. Except for that one time when I poured in 4 quarts of oil, but forgot to install the new filter. " Why are my feet wet and slippery ? "

[volvolugnut]

I typically have to use the steel band clamp to loosen.
volvolugnut

Hmm, how are you getting clearance for that? I tried putting the band at an angle, but I didn't want to permanently bend the band. It seemed to me that the subframe/cradle was in the way, of the handle, but maybe I didn't spend enough time with it before getting my strap wrench.

I don't have an 850, so these are general directions for oil filter install and removal. I have one cheap oil filter band wrench that has a swivel that allows the handle to pivot and avoid some objects.

volvolugnut