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2000 S70 Coolant Temp Gauge Fluctuating

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2000 S70 Coolant Temp Gauge Fluctuating

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Hello all, new and confused user with a recently purchased 2000 Volvo S70 non turbo and a plethora of check engine codes. Car has 335k on the ODO, so not a huge surprise. It was a $500 car, after all, and has been doing great up until recently.

After a thousand+ miles of driving under my ownership, I noticed the coolant temperature gauge reads zero at highway speeds. Now, the trouble code ECC-135 has been in the system since I got the car, but the gauge seemed to be working fine. An Autozone temp sensor is en route to me, and I'll be snagging a new thermostat tomorrow, as that seems to be what solves the issue. But someone on another forum I regular, Oppositelock, seems convinced it's an electrical issue. Which he's probably right. He knows more than me, as do all of you.

All other gauges, including the real time fuel mileage/digital readings on that neat little screen as well as the gas level, speedo, and tach all work just fine (which is funny because it's also throwing a "missing fuel level sensor" code 0004, which doesn't show up in AllData as anything, so maybe that code is something else). And when initially warming up/driving at city speeds, the car and gauge seem to heat up fine. But getting on the highway, it drops to zero until I get back into town (I'm often driving on highways for hours at a time, most of my friends like 50 - 70 miles from me, so I see a lot of highway miles). On top of that, if the gauge does decide to creep up at highway speeds, it never gets back to the center, and on rare instances the car will even buck. This could be due to the throttle body/AACV, which are also throwing codes (6307/91A7). Haven't gotten a chance to clean those yet.

If the car was going to overheat, my guess is it would've by now. I would think a few hours of highway driving with an overcooked engine would be pretty easy to notice... but again, you know more than me. After all, I'm the idiot driving a 300k car with a dozen engine codes as if it were brand new... It's a great little car though:
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Any and all advice is appreciated. Excited to learn more about my beater through this sweet forum :)

EDIT: Should note that I've seen posts about removing the thermostat and, if it still fluctuates, then it's not that. Is that something that can be done without draining the coolant? The level on that is good, by the way, but if that's just a matter of removing the housing, taking it out, and going for a drive, that'll be my next test.

Also should note that the ohm reading on the ECT connector itself is 6800 on a 35 degree day, which seems in line with the right temperature. This is the basis of my friend's argument that it's not the temp sensor, but the sensor is also corroded blue and has a strange white strand of something sticking out between it and the thermostat housing.

One other curiosity: where would the engine's ground be? The day this all started happening, as I was tooling along the road that gets me to the highway (all systems normal), the electrics (dash and radio) shut off but the engine kept running. Then it all turned back on and seemed to work just fine. Didn't have to shut off the car and turn it back on or anything. Think this could be related?

Long post, but wanted to make sure I was getting all the information across for the experts to review.

FINAL OBSERVATION: Had to do some car shuffling, moving the Volvo into the driveway where I can later work on him. Had the ECT sensor unplugged, which I though I had read you can do. However, car didn't crank upon turning the key. And after I let it go, the radiator fan turned on. Plugged it back in and still, no crank. Uh oh.

Put it in gear, cause sometimes Blue refuses to start unless I do so (clutch in at all times, of course), but wouldn't do it. Then neutral. Nope. Only with my foot on the clutch, in neutral, and applying gas did the car finally understand "oh, that's right, I'm a car" and run. Electrical gremlins do exist in this car, I'm just hoping they're caused by the mechanical bits (thermostat, ECT, things I kind of understand) rather than the electrical bits (ECU, microprocessors, and things I don't understand).
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Post by FlyingVolvo »

As far as the temp needle going low on the highway and coming back to normal in stop & go, that's a classic failed thermostat stuck open. Easy fix, just be careful to not strip the bolts.

My other advice would be to return/not install the Autozone ECT sensor. Use only OE parts for stuff like that. It costs a bit more, but the reliability of the cheapy cheap aftermarkets for important sensors like that is questionable. Also, inspect the wires and connection point for corrosion or damage.

The poor performance/bucking may be something else, but it's likely the ECT giving screwed up temp (or 0) temp readings to the car's computer, leading to wrong air/fuel mixture for the engine temp. I bet if you replace the thermostat and the ECT with an OE unit, those problems will disappear and you can work on other stuff.
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Post by tjmartin317 »

It does look like an easy fix, hence why I'm not super spooked to do it. But when electrics get involved, I get nervous. Hence why I'm forever baffled by my 50 year old fuel injected VW... but that's a whole other story ;)

The bucking could very well have to do with letting my buddy try driving it. Happens very rarely though, not super concerning.

I'll see what I can do about the coolant temp sensor. I got it from Autozone because I work in a GMC parts department and have a really strong relationship with that store. Always feel bad about any inconvenience I cause the store for personal parts, but worst case scenario, I could just hang on to it for now.
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Post by FlyingVolvo »

I mean, who knows, throw it in and see if it works fine. I just know over the many years I've been in these forums, there have been issues with things like aftermarket temp sensors, MAFs, O2 sensors, etc.
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Post by scot850 »

Not worth the do-over effort. We only have one choice that works in North America and that is the Volvo OE ECT. Classic thermostat stuck as the guys have already pointed out. Don't get too complacent on it bring an easy job. The thermostat housing has 2 x T30 or T35 threaded screws in them that like to seize in place. Soak them with a a good penetrating oil in advance (not WD40, use something like Kroil or PB Blaster, Liquid Wrench). One of the 2 screws is hard to get a Torx onto as the head overhangs it. I use a long shank Torx bit to ensure I get best chance of getting it straight on. I then tap the bit when it is in the head of the screws with a hammer to try to break any sticking between the threads.

You don,t need to drain all the coolant out, but you need to drain enough to get the level below the thermostat.

Good Luck!

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Post by 850oldschool »

It can also be helpful when removing stubborn torx or allen screws to dip the driver bit in abrasive valve lapping compound. The abrasive grit helps the bit grip the inside of the screw head.

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Post by 454cid »

I guess I'm fortunate. Of the two thermostat I've done, I have not had an issue with the Torx screws. I would recommend making sure they're clean going back in, and have anti-seize applied. Reduce the torque by 15-20% when using anti-seize... yes use a torque wrench.

I see Liquid Wrench mentioned.... where are you guys buying it, now? I have not found it locally at the stores I frequent, and I broke the nozzle on my mostly full can.
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I picked up Liquid Wrench up here in Canada at Princess Auto. I bought them when they had a great deal on them so bought a few. They last me for a long time. Only issue I have had is the spray is really week compared to PB Blaster when using the red long nozzle.

Googling it for the US, it shows Amazon carries it. Looks like the packaging has changed on the cans:

https://www.amazon.com/Liquid-Wrench-L1 ... 0MR8Q?th=1

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scot850 wrote: 08 Jan 2023, 18:37 I picked up Liquid Wrench up here in Canada at Princess Auto. I bought them when they had a great deal on them so bought a few. They last me for a long time. Only issue I have had is the spray is really week compared to PB Blaster when using the red long nozzle.

Googling it for the US, it shows Amazon carries it. Looks like the packaging has changed on the cans:

https://www.amazon.com/Liquid-Wrench-L1 ... 0MR8Q?th=1

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That (almost $14) is very expensive for a can of penetrating oil. I think Amazon marks up aerosols because of shipping. I think that's the same can design I have... and knocked over/dropped.
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Post by MoVolvos »

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Classic thermostat stuck open. In my case it was wide open on a 98 S70 T5, meaning no thermostat. Took awhile to figure that one out after purchasing it, also at $500 but with 230K miles.
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