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Volvo 2.5T AWD 2003 Automatic delay 3 to 4

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Re: Volvo 2.5T AWD 2003 Automatic delay 3 to 4

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greffel wrote: 02 Jun 2021, 14:11 * 5,5 ohm with cold engine
* and open connection when warm

Seems to act like this, at least from these two days of testing.
Have never seen this problem before not on the old valve body or the new one.

If possible I would like to not drop the subframe again and remove the oil pan to the valve body.
We all know that the solenoids can become sticky when warm but I have never heard of a coil that break and then cool down and fixes it self.

I'm really interested where the wires change color, just to see if there is a bad contact in that spot.
Must be where I put a red circle in the photo.
Just to confirm, the open you measure when warm is with the D connector unplugged and when you're measuring between the D connector D3 and D4 pins and the SLT solenoid, which would mean the open is somewhere between the valve body wiring harness D connector side and the SLT solenoid, is this correct? If this is the case then unless you find something obvious externally like a problem with the D connector or a obvious bad wire there's a good chance you may need to drop the subframe again and get the VB cover off. The color code wiring difference is a mystery at this point but I think you're measuring the SLT correctly and you're seeing the problem you're getting an error code for.
Like you mentioned a solenoid coil failure in the solenoid is a rare event, it could be a bad connector or a broken wire that's affected by the heat. A sticking solenoid is a different problem that the signal missing problem you're having.

About the 3-4 shift flare problem, what's ID mark on the servo pin?

Edit, adding picture of valve body wiring harness and suspected junction where the wire color coding changes.
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Hey
You have understod me correctly.
Measuring in the D contact the circuit is open when warm and 5.5ohm when cold.

Possibly problem:
* the red circle area
* bad contact to the solenoid
* the coil

Any tips on creative testing whiteout removing the valv body cover ?
I'm thinkin removing the red circled area for the gearbox, and wiggle around the cables. If I detect a open circuit then it should be a harness problem
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greffel wrote: 03 Jun 2021, 03:42 Hey
You have understod me correctly.
Measuring in the D contact the circuit is open when warm and 5.5ohm when cold.

Possibly problem:
* the red circle area
* bad contact to the solenoid
* the coil

Any tips on creative testing whiteout removing the valv body cover ?
I'm thinkin removing the red circled area for the gearbox, and wiggle around the cables. If I detect a open circuit then it should be a harness problem
You should be able to peel back the rubber boot(I think it's a rubber boot) on the wiring harness where in enters the transmission and check for any obvious wiring problem. Other than that though I don't think there's much else you can do without getting the valve body cover off .

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Cover is off and this is me just wiggling the cables/connection to the SLT solenoid.

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Cleaned the contact and the connection to the solenoid and a lot better but still inconsistent values.
Then I connected a brand new solenoid to the old cable and still inconsistent values.

Everything points to a harness swap....

Should I change the harness to a brand new on or both the harness and the solenoid just in case.
I bought them both .... harness 90$ and solenoid 45$
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greffel wrote: 05 Jun 2021, 14:10 Cleaned the contact and the connection to the solenoid and a lot better but still inconsistent values.
Then I connected a brand new solenoid to the old cable and still inconsistent values.

Everything points to a harness swap....

Should I change the harness to a brand new on or both the harness and the solenoid just in case.
I bought them both .... harness 90$ and solenoid 45$
Why not first replace the harness and repeat what you did in the video to see if the inconsistent readings clears up or not. If the readings are still inconsistent then replace the solenoid and see how things look. Since you purchased both items you can just replace both but you you may need to do an adapt with the new solenoid.

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New harness and new SLT solenoid, didn't want to take a chance not changing the SLT solenoid.
Code gone ande it works like before :)

To bad it still has the flare from 3 to 4 ( had small hopes a new harness would effect it in a positive way )
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greffel wrote: 08 Jun 2021, 08:25 New harness and new SLT solenoid, didn't want to take a chance not changing the SLT solenoid.
Code gone ande it works like before :)

To bad it still has the flare from 3 to 4 ( had small hopes a new harness would effect it in a positive way )
It's good you fixed the SLT wiring/solenoid problem and like you I was hoping the fix for this problem would have some positive affect on the 3-4 flare.
Did you get a look at the current 3rd gear band servo pin ID marking? Based on the length of the current servo pin determines what length will be needed to reduce the servo travel and get in back within spec. Like I mentioned before not sure if this will improve the flare or not but something that could be tried without tearing the transmission apart. How is the downshift from 4 to 3?

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Downshift from 4 to 3 is perfect, every shift is "perfect" except 3 to 4

I guess I have ID1 ?
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greffel wrote: 08 Jun 2021, 09:16 Downshift from 4 to 3 is perfect, every shift is "perfect" except 3 to 4

I guess I have ID1 ?
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I went back and I see that had missed you saying it was ID1, sorry. You could try a pin with 3 or 4 ID ring marks based on your measured values and servo travel out of spec. See the previous post for GM part numbers or maybe you could find a used one.

not sure if this place ships internationally but here are the 3 and 4 ID ring parts numbers

https://www.worldpartsdirect.com/oem-pa ... Mopar+2.19

https://www.worldpartsdirect.com/oem-pa ... Mopar+2.19

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