California to Ban the Sale of New Gasoline Cars

[abscate]

I got into a stupid echo chamber battle on the internet challenging a common internet meme that the electrical grid needs 4x expansion to meet EV needs.

My math is

Average commute 15 miles
Average EV 3 kWhr per mile
Average household daily electrical load 30kWhr

This daily EV load is 10 kWhr , or 33% of household

[BlackBart]

So your monthly electric cost goes up around a third? Need to factor that in plus initial cost of wiring a 240 circuit in your garage if needed. Compare to how much gas you’re buying now, plus oil and tuneups.

[BlackBart]

Serious question - we’re reading about possible brownouts in CA due to extreme A/C loads. Doesn’t that imply the grid is close to maxed out? Temporarily obviously.

[volvolugnut]

Yes, the extreme heat on the West coast has over loaded the electrical supply/ distribution systems. Brown outs are from inability to maintain required voltage at the delivery point.
The power supply generation plants (coal, natural gas, hydroelectric, solar, wind or nuclear) can not supply required power for everything OR the electrical distribution system (long distance power lines, substations, transformers, and local lines) can not deliver the power to the end users.
I just read an article in Bloomberg BusinessWeek about the lack to enough power distribution lines to get solar and wind power from generation points to major cities. This is mostly a problem in mountain states of the west.
volvolugnut

[BlackBart]

Yeah, distance is an issue in wrangling those little electrons...back & forth, back & forth.

My son sent me this to explain everything....

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So, are these just regional grid issues that are generally temporary? As I understand it, switches are constantly being manipulated to adjust flows and loads.

[BlackBart]

I've started the process (PRO-cess) of duct taping 1000 of these under my car, rigging up wiring, and adapting a really big electric drill to make an electric conversion.

It was pointed out I should have bought the rechargeable ones.

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[volvolugnut]

It is imPORTant to decide before you start wiring if you will use serial or parallel PORTs.

volvolugnutr

[BlackBart]

I like cereal. Rice Krispies might be my favorite. Snap-Crackle-Pop.....funny, that's the same noise my car makes......

[abscate]

Yes, the extreme heat on the West coast has over loaded the electrical supply/ distribution systems. Brown outs are from inability to maintain required voltage at the delivery point.
The power supply generation plants (coal, natural gas, hydroelectric, solar, wind or nuclear) can not supply required power for everything OR the electrical distribution system (long distance power lines, substations, transformers, and local lines) can not deliver the power to the end users.
I just read an article in Bloomberg BusinessWeek about the lack to enough power distribution lines to get solar and wind power from generation points to major cities. This is mostly a problem in mountain states of the west.
volvolugnut

The hyperbole from the anti EV crowd in this is incredible.

We have to make the grid 4-8x larger to power EV.

Average commute in an ev takes 5 kWhr. You need 10 kWhr per day to get to work

A 240 volt dryer wire running 50 amps does that in 1 hour . Grid load at 0300 is about 1/2 peak

[abscate]

So your monthly electric cost goes up around a third? Need to factor that in plus initial cost of wiring a 240 circuit in your garage if needed. Compare to how much gas you’re buying now, plus oil and tuneups.

It’s not free unless you get it at work , but even then, it won’t stay free.

Your gas bill typically is 10,000 miles per year, 25mpg, so 400 gallons

$1600


Buying a $50,000 ev to save at most $1600 is nonsensical. Actual cost of electricity is about 5 cpm, so electric car fuel bill is $500 for 10,000 miles if you pay full nut