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2001 - 2007 V70
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2004 - 2007 XC70 (Cross Country)
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Ithought
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Re: Transmission service required

Post by Ithought »

Thanks Vtl
Fault codes were/ are
CODE001
TCM-0 Lock-up
02F Function, Slips
or not engaged.
CODE002
TCM-0 Gear-shift
039 position sensor
faulty signal.

thanks
Gerry

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Post by vtl »

Could be sticky soleniod too. Btw, do you have latest firmware for you transmission?

I had ECM-530D and TCM-0039 when my g-box position sensor failed.

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vtl wrote:Could be sticky soleniod too. Btw, do you have latest firmware for you transmission?

I had ECM-530D and TCM-0039 when my g-box position sensor failed.
latest firmware for you transmission? not with you on that one, could you explain thanks

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Ithought wrote:latest firmware for you transmission? not with you on that one, could you explain thanks
"Does your transmission (TCM) have latest firmware?" ;) 2002 has lots of truly "killer features" (stress on killer), they have been fixed around 2005 (I'm not sure about exact year). Also latest firmware has improvements which handles worn mechanical part more appropriately. See TJ16761.
TJ16761-2012-06-01.pdf
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Post by Ithought »

Thanks Vti and you other guys,
First class help and information.
My wife bought me a scanner for Valentines day (my pick), not very romantic I know, but exactly what I wanted.
I have just scanned the error codes
PO740 :
Torque convertor
clutch circut / open

PO705 :
Transmission range
sensor A circut
(PRNDC input)

I don't know what they mean just yet, looks like a dodgy PNP switch and a sticky solenoid though, but being me I cleared them anyway
This handy gadget (I was worried that it wouldn't read Volvo codes, but it does) only costs about € 30 from eBay so here's the link;
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/360501633740?ssP ... 1423.l2649
thanks
Gerry

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Yeah, that's all we do (buying cheap generic OBD-II scanner) before coming to conclusion that DiCE is imminent :)

Back to your miseries...

TCM-0039 -> replace or clean/fix position sensor. I found my bill, the part itself was $205, and this is a half-hour job for average mechanic.

TCM-002F -> TCM software update might fix this. If not, try to find transmission shop where they can change solenoids for cheaper price. 2k Euros is twice a price for full transmission rebuild in US. While you may only need to drain g-box sump, open valve body's cover and replace sticky solenoid (SLU, perhaps). Assemble back, fill, done. You don't even need to take valve body out. Personally, I'd not consider sacrificing the whole car if tranny shifts smoothly in general - there's simply no point doing this.

I agree that older cars were more reliable in general (some truly bullet-proof bricks like 240s are still on the roads), but, yeah, that's the life: modern cars are more sensitive to negligence.

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Post by Ithought »

Hi VTI,

It's good to communicate with you and the others, as you seem to be a bit of a Volvo veteran, as you can guess I'm a bit of a Volvo virgin, for example is the PNP switch on the trannie or attached to the shift lever ? Having had Merc's for the last twenty years ( still have a '73 350 slc, '92 190e, '97 E230 ) I'm pretty familiar with the latter marques idiosyncrasies up to the naughties. Ironically (don't have a lot of dough at present) knowing that those Merc's within my price range were famous for dodgy build quality, I switched my allegiance to the renowned reliability of Volvo. Afraid I was influenced by the 240, 740, 960, 850 era. Don't get me wrong this (2002) S60 T20 is a really nice car with a better build than the equivalent Merc, say an E200, but judging by the Forums, Volvo may have been negligent in some areas of maintenance bulletins, case in point ATF replacement.
Regarding some points in your kind and useful replies;
(buying cheap generic OBD-II scanner), I'm very pleased with this tool as unlike many such like, it can talk to my Volvo, my wife's car (Citreon C3) etc. I'm not prepared to commit every outlay to Volvo just yet.
TCM-0039, I'll try cleaning this first and then failing that maybe replace. Simple enough (when I locate it) and hopefully not too expensive, we're not talking about an Aston-Martin DB5 here.
TCM-002F, well this is the $64,000 question. Taking into account that the local Volvo main dealers are rubbish and look upon my humble 2002 S60 as something that they may have walked on while on their way into their air conditioned and pristine workshops (see earlier posts), I am unlikely to be able to to do much on the software side as no local (radius 100 miles) indie workshops that I'm aware of, are equipped for this procedure . I suspect from the cars shift behavior that it is a sticky solenoid . If I could be sure of this I'd do a (Sonnax isn't it) full replacement. This will be getting a little pricey (epic if it works), but from what I've read and heard the entire valve body (megabucks) may be banjaxed. In other words after considerable outlay I may may be at square one. It's one hell of a dilemma. I wonder if I tried say 12oz of 'Lucas transmission fix', which I have to hand, might it free-up a sticky solenoid without risking any damage ?
Oh by the way, though I am reasonably mechanically competent, my attachment to auto-boxes and reliance on professional mechanics is due to the fact that I was a keen biker in far off days, but an unfortunate coming together of my bike and myself with a Ford Sierra has left me with a limp right arm. No big deal now but it does interfere with tinkering around on oily stuff a bit.
Yes you're right about the older model stuff, and it's not just Volvo's. It's all about emissions and fuel economy isn't it. There are so many sensors, ecm's etc. that they are bound to fail (cheap out-sourcing to China, no problem with China but built to a price) or even outwit themselves by trying to be too clever. I have a 2 litre1992 MB 190e with 250,000 miles (too tatty to pass our car testing now), but still running well, and the only thing to ever have gone wrong was a € 20 fuel pump relay. However 30mpg is the best it could manage and I'm sure sure a modern 1.8 litre MB C class would embarrass it any performance criteria.

Once again, thanks for holding my hand, sorry for prattling on a bit and I hope that we will continue to communicate.

Regards
Gerry

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Post by Ithought »

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~$580 at stealer two years ago. Part is ~$220, certainly can DIY. Russian DIYers tend to disassemble the sensor and clean/repair contacts: http://volvo850.ru/sdelay/AKPPselr.htm[/quote]

Great advice and I really appreciate it. Brought the Volvo S60 to my local garage with this info (translated it with google) only to find that the switch is sealed (riveted), hence back to square one. Well worth a shot but diddled by Volvo yet again, swine.

Thanks for the help to date

Gerry

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Post by boosted5cyl »

Ithought wrote: Great advice and I really appreciate it. Brought the Volvo S60 to my local garage with this info (translated it with google) only to find that the switch is sealed (riveted), hence back to square one. Well worth a shot but diddled by Volvo yet again, swine.

Thanks for the help to date

Gerry

Drill the rivets out, replace with suitably compact self tappers, or nut and bolt. Easy enough. Besides you can replace that switch reasonably cheaply. Dont think I'd call it diddled, I would say they were sealed from element rather than anything nefarious.
'04 XC90 2.5T AWD (Angus) 134K.
'99 S80 T6 (Medusa) 214k. On borrowed time LOL
'98 V70 T5 (Vivienne). RIP @ 228K. Spun rod bearings.

Ithought
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Post by Ithought »

Thanls, how much is a new switch roughly and part number

thanks

Gerry

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