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Re: 98V70 na Volvo - appears to have died

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bmdubya1198 wrote: 17 Dec 2017, 18:11
98v70dad wrote: 17 Dec 2017, 17:31 Slightly interesting fact - I used to live down the street from Volvo of Lisle 35 years ago. I drove past it every single day!
No kidding, that's pretty cool! I wish I had a Volvo dealer down the street... there are literally two within 2 hours or so of here and they are only opened until noon Saturday and closed Sunday, plus they rarely have anything I need in stock. Getting parts locally isn't something that can happen for me often haha.
You're lucky Jim Ellis Volvo is local to you now. They seem to be one of the larger Volvo parts sources.
cn90 wrote: 17 Dec 2017, 17:36 - If the part number posted above is correct for 98 NA model, then you are lucky... as we speak, there is a BRAND-NEW Volvo OEM listed now for $150, which is half of the dealer price of $300.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/O-E-M-VOLVO-85 ... Gp&vxp=mtr

- Check if the O-ring and Paper Gasket is included.
If that's the correct one, hopefully it'll stick around until you determine that's the issue. It likely will... Volvo oil pumps probably aren't flying off the shelves.
Jim ellis volvo has treated me well. I've used only volvo parts because their prices are so good. I can generally get a new part in no more than 3 days. Very expensive rarely ordered parts take a few weeks - passenger side drive axle took about 10 days.

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bmdubya1198 wrote: 17 Dec 2017, 16:38
98v70dad wrote: 17 Dec 2017, 16:15 Can anyone verify the correct part number for the oil pump on my non-turbo 98 V70? I came up with this: 30650144. Do the turbo and non-turbo use the same oil pump?
9207951 is the number I'm finding on Volvo Parts Lisle (http://volvopartslisle.com/assembly/342 ... ing-System). I put in '98 V70 B5254FS M4.4 auto with sunroof (but if you don't have a sunroof, be warned it may be different... :mrgreen: )
It seems that the NA and turbo oil pumps are the same being that the diagram appears to apply to both NA and turbo (turbo oil lines are shown).
The part number you posted seems to be for 2000+ models up to engine 2669352, as well as 2669353 on. The P/N I posted above shows up to 1999.
Oddly the part number I posted earlier from the Jim Ellis site was shown to be used on my car. When I went back with your number it shows up as the only part number.

CN90's find is a bargain. I didn't find it this morning after two checks but I wasn't searching by part number. I'm pretty convinced that my oil pump gave up but I'm not sold on trying to fix the car. I looked closely at the chunks today and they are from a curved part...the radius appears to be fairly large like 8-10 inches.

Shelling out 150 even though its a bargain without knowing what caused the problem for sure may be a waste of money. I'm also concerned that there may be chunks stuck in the plumbing between the oil pump and the oil filter. If something is lodged in there I have no way to get it out. I'm actually shocked that a piece that measures about 1/2 inch on each side made it through.

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Today's mini follow up: I poured the removed oil through a piece of window screen and nothing unusual showed up. There's a little crud but its all soft and fairly small.

I put off cutting up the oil filter until another time. It's too messy for a late Sunday evening. Instead I threw a few steaks on the grill, put a fire in the fireplace and poured my wife and I a glass of wine while we watched Pittsburgh get robbed of a win.

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Can anyone verify the correct part number for the oil pump on my non-turbo 98 V70? I came up with this: 30650144.

The correct part number for the 98 non-turbo is 9207951.
9207950 is the part number for the 98 Turbo versions.

Found some new 9207951 on eBay for $157.00 total.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/O-E-M-VOLVO-85 ... Gp&vxp=mtr


The 30650144 is for turbo and non-turbo year 2000 on. Hole plugged for N/A, connected for turbo. I cannot find anything to confirm the 30650144 is backward compatible with the 9207950 and 9207951. It might be, might not be.

Do the turbo and non-turbo use the same oil pump?

The 9207950 and the 9207951 are the same casting. As far as I can tell the only difference between the the two is, the 9207950 has ports drilled for a turbo, 9207951 does not.

You could probably block off the turbo ports on a 9207950 and convert it into a 9207951.

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Speculation: Internals on the turbo version might be modified to push a higher flow rate. If this were the case it shouldn't be a problem so long as the excess pressure doesn't exceed what the PRV can handle. If you do that (plug the turbo port on a 9207950), when you first start/drive it for safe measure you probably would want to check that oil pressure at higher RPMs isn't exceeding max pressure spec. Which would be more likely to occur when the engine/oil is cold.

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RickHaleParker wrote: 18 Dec 2017, 11:13 Can anyone verify the correct part number for the oil pump on my non-turbo 98 V70? I came up with this: 30650144.

The correct part number for the 98 non-turbo is 9207951.
9207950 is the part number for the 98 Turbo versions.

Found some new 9207951 on eBay for $157.00 total.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/O-E-M-VOLVO-85 ... Gp&vxp=mtr


The 30650144 is for turbo and non-turbo year 2000 on. Hole plugged for N/A, connected for turbo. I cannot find anything to confirm the 30650144 is backward compatible with the 9207950 and 9207951. It might be, might not be.

Do the turbo and non-turbo use the same oil pump?

The 9207950 and the 9207951 are the same casting. As far as I can tell the only difference between the the two is, the 9207950 has ports drilled for a turbo, 9207951 does not.

You could probably block off the turbo ports on a 9207950 and convert it into a 9207951.

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I'm weighing buy a new pump for a car that might be toast vs a used one for $50 that is probably serviceable for several hundred thousand miles. Even if the $150 pump is a great bargain (it is) the used one is still a lot less money to put into a big gamble. I have no guarantee that my car will run well when I replace the oil pump.

I may cut open the oil filter tonight if I can figure out a way to do it without making a huge mess. I could use my dremel and an abrasive wheel and have it apart in no time BUT it will probably sling oil everywhere. A pipe cutter would work great but I don't think mine opens that big.

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mrbrian200 wrote: 18 Dec 2017, 13:13 Speculation: Internals on the turbo version might be modified to push a higher flow rate. If this were the case it shouldn't be a problem so long as the excess pressure doesn't exceed what the PRV can handle. If you do that (plug the turbo port on a 9207950), when you first start/drive it for safe measure you probably would want to check that oil pressure at higher RPMs isn't exceeding max pressure spec. Which would be more likely to occur when the engine/oil is cold.
If I buy off of ebay I can be pretty sure I'm getting the right part (never had a problem). If I buy on Amazon (sometimes there are sweet deals there) getting the correct part number is a risk (I've had problems getting a part but not THE part I ordered).

I've sourced a used one locally for $50 but the guy I buy from doesn't go by part number, he goes by description. I told him I needed an oil pump for a 98 v70 non-turbo and he told me he had one. I don't know if he heard me clearly or not. Anyhow, he has sold me the wrong parts in the past for similar reasons because it seems the turbos were more popular than the normally aspirated. I just wondered if they are the same part so I could eliminate that as something to be concerned about - guess not! I dont want to add to my work by having to modify whatever part I buy or experiment with its proper function...easier to just be patient and get the right part.

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I've sourced a used one locally for $50 but the guy I buy from doesn't go by part number, he goes by description.

I would pull the defective one first and do a side by side comparison before I forked over the $50.00.


I may cut open the oil filter tonight if I can figure out a way to do it without making a huge mess.

Is there a lip a can opener can grab? The side walls maybe thin enough to cut with a can opener.
A $1.00 hacksaw from Dollar Tree, work around the side wall near the mating end.
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RickHaleParker wrote: 18 Dec 2017, 16:48 I've sourced a used one locally for $50 but the guy I buy from doesn't go by part number, he goes by description.

I would pull the defective one first and do a side by side comparison before I forked over the $50.00.


I may cut open the oil filter tonight if I can figure out a way to do it without making a huge mess.

Is there a lip a can opener can grab? The side walls maybe thin enough to cut with a can opener.
A $1.00 hacksaw from Dollar Tree, work around the side wall near the mating end.
Well, yes, I always pull the defective one first if I can. I was trying to get ahead of the curve by having a part on hand when the holidays are over.

And, yes, there is a lip that a can opener can grab. But, oil is the toxic wast dump of the engine. I thought of using a can opener and immediately dropped that idea. I don't want traces of cadmium and other heavy metals in my campbell's soup.

You must have missed the comment "without making a mess". A hacksaw would definitely work but controlling the mess would be a problem or at least it seems so - I ruled that option out also. I think I'm going to try tin snips.

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I don't want traces of cadmium and other heavy metals in my campbell's soup.

Can't be any worst the then the chemicals Campbell puts in, besides it will wash off.

Good luck with the Tin Snips, I think you can better control the forces with a Hacksaw.

Got any buddies with an Engine Lathe? Clamp the filter in the jaw and cut the jacket at low RPM.

$40.00 for a oil filter cutter is out of the question for a one shot.
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