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460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

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460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by Ramadan15 » Sat May 22, 2010 12:09 pm

hi,
thanks for ur support for volvo owners , it means alot for us, i got the same problem as "460 idel shutdown problem" ,
i own 460 1.8i 1994 , run 240,000 kms
the car shutdown ,as it got hot " temp. gauge in middle" and espaicaly when i run the aircondainaer , but when i try to start it ,it start , but as i try to move it cuts again ,
first , i changed the fuel filter and it was very dirty , i thought that could be the problem
but the problem appeard again and repeated much more than before ,
i checked OBD
it gave me this codes
113
122
312
132
313
, Thankx for ur help



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Re: 460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by billofdurham » Sun May 23, 2010 11:39 am

Welcome to Matthew's Volvo Site.

The most interesting code of those you list is 1-3-2 which indicates low battery voltage. Have you checked the battery with a voltmeter/multimeter to see what voltage it has? Although it is rated as 12volts it should be more than that to be fully charged. The table shows the voltages and state of charge. These are measured with the ignition switched off.

Open Circuit Voltage Approximate State-of-Charge at 80°F (26.7°C)
12.65 100%
12.45 75%
12.24 50%
12.06 25%
11.89 or less DISCHARGED

Now start the engine. Check with the meter again and the voltage at the battery terminals with the engine running at 2000 rpm should be between 13.0 and 15.0 volts.

The other codes all indicate a battery problem has caused them, not necessarily faults in the units themselves.

1-1-3 is a faulty signal on the injectors.
1-2-2 is a faulty signal on the intake air temperature sensor.
3-1-2 is not listed for the 460 but for other Volvos is the ignition control module.
3-1-3 is the charcoal absorption canister valve.

I would test the battery first and, if necessary, replace it. Whether or not the battery has to be replaced I would then erase the codes and run the car to see if any of them return. If they do post back.

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Re: 460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by Ramadan15 » Thu May 27, 2010 3:50 pm

dear sir,
I tried to apply ur advise , so i went to workshop and measured my battery output , it was 14 volt, notice i use 60 amp. battery
and in 2000 rpm with high light and A/C run it is 14.5 Volt
so , i tried another battery from the shop it was charging on a tonger ( this battery is 55 amp) it was 13.5 volt , and in runing condition (rpm 2000 , high light on , A/C on ) it give 14 volt reading
i noticed that
the codes in th OBD it gone , and it give 111
then i but my battery back again , and it give me 111
but after i drived my car for a while it give me
only 132 again
please tell me what to do , and tell me how to clear the OBD memory



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Re: 460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by Ramadan15 » Thu May 27, 2010 3:52 pm

and please inform me , if there is a cheap place i can got the
Volvo 440, 460 and 480 (1987-97) Service and Repair Manual (Haynes Service and Repair Manuals) (Hardcover)
by A.K. Legg (Author)



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Re: 460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by billofdurham » Fri May 28, 2010 4:09 pm

I have two reference books one of which gave the code 1-3-2 as being low battery voltage. The other book gave the code 1-3-2 as battery voltage incorrect, which means either too low or too high.

When you tested the two batteries and had 14 volts on one and 13.5 volts on the other was this with the engine idling or switched off?

To clear the OBD codes you can follow the instructions that are pinned at the top of the forum or you can disconnect the battery, which is how the codes were cleared when you replaced the battery to test your car.

The Haynes manual you require can be bought through eBayUK. This link will take you to the correct page. Some sellers will post to Egypt but some will not, so check carefully.

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Re: 460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by Ramadan15 » Sat May 29, 2010 9:13 am

Dear Bill,
thanks for ur replay ,
the 14 ,13.5 was when the engine is off , that make me wander too , i thought that the car battery is 12 volt ?
may be the voltmeter was not calibrated or have error ?
now i changed my battery with my dads car battery , it is 55 amp , and will see if it will cut off the engine again or not
thanks for the link , and keep in contact
my best regards ,
Mohamed



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Re: 460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by Ramadan15 » Sun May 30, 2010 9:06 am

Dear Mr. Bill,
i do not know what is wrong, i tried the car on highway , and i feel that it lose power hourse i think? any way i turned the A/C on and after 15 km it it turned off , " notice that it turn off i low speed 10-70" and i keeped the petrol badel pressed so it run but the lambada signel light on green , and it keep on till i arrived and swiched off the car , this time it read
132
113
i do not know why the battery code appeared again ?
113
i think it because i pressed the petrol badle and there is no ignition till it catch the engine

this car was not has A/C and i added it to the car , the compressor is volvo ,and filter , every part is volvo, but i have a question and it may led us to another cause ,
1.do the inside coil (cold matrix) have a sensor to turn the compressor off before ice formation ( is the comperssor is on all the time or have a sensor to switch it on/off )?
2.i add the A/C , so the ECU do not have any control on A/C , could that be the cause?
3. i do not know from where exactly the electric technitian conect the power to the A/C .
notice i have A/C fixed in my car for an year and nothing happned before?
with my best regareds
Mohamed,



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Re: 460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by billofdurham » Sun May 30, 2010 12:48 pm

the 14 ,13.5 was when the engine is off , that make me wander too , i thought that the car battery is 12 volt ?
may be the voltmeter was not calibrated or have error ?
The battery is nominally a 12 volt but it has six cells each of which generates about 2.1 volts so it could read 12.6 volts on a fully charged battery. Allowing for a voltmeter not being totally accurate a reading of 13 volts could be accepted.

On your previous tests you had 14.5 volts at 2000rpm with the AC engaged. Did you test it with the AC disengaged at the same rpm? I am wondering if your alternator is generating too high a voltage. It would probably be best if you had the alternator and battery tested by a qualified auto-electrician. His test equipment would be better than a voltmeter as the best way to test a battery is with a hydrometer and a voltage drop tester.

If the AC has been fitted for a year without problems I think it must have been fitted properly. If you start the engine and switch on the AC you should hear a regular clicking sound coming from the compressor. If you look at the pulley that turns the compressor you will see that the inner part of the pulley stops and starts at the same time as you hear the click. The compressor does not run continuously, it cycles. The AC fitter should have known how to wire the AC. It has to be interlinked to the radiator cooling fan which should run continuously when the AC is switched on.

If you have any further questions please post them but I shall be out of the country for 10 days from tomorrow so my reply will be delayed.

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Re: 460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by Ramadan15 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:35 pm

Dear mr Bill,
i hope u come back healthy safety from ur trip, i wonder what make the compressor work in cycles , do u have any electrical dirgam for it circuit ?



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Re: 460 1.8i idel shutdown problem 2

Post by billofdurham » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:52 pm

I'm back, but tired as I was driving a coach nearly every day.

The air conditioning system is designed to work in cycles, it is not a fault. If the compressor appears to be cycling too often, for example every 5 - 20 seconds, it usually means the refrigerant needs topping up. Ideally it should cycle every 30 seconds or more with a fully charged system.

This link will take you to a site that explains things.

Unfortunately I don't have a wiring diagram for the air conditioning.

Bill.


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1994 940T Wentworth, Auto, Blue.

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