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Safety of S70 vs newer cars

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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by misha » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:23 pm

@Rattnalle ...In case that you didn't noticed...we'are not talking about worldwide road safety....we'are talking about Volvos safety.

Luckily...Swede's jokes are not that good like Volvos.
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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by matthew1 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:27 pm

Volvo gave up its safety advantage starting about 15-20 years ago when advanced computer modeling for crash simulation became widespread. Now even the lowest Hyundai is decent at safety.

Computer modeling leveled the playing field among car companies.


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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by abscate » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:04 pm

Yet another complicating factor in the futility of trying to use crash data to get a 'car safety rating.

Volvo is a high end, money and brains, urban brand. Urban fatality crash rate is about 2.6x less than the rural. Somehow you have to weight where the cars are and how they are used before you can use the simple 'death by brand' rate


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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by June » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:46 pm

matthew1 wrote:
Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:27 pm
Volvo gave up its safety advantage starting about 15-20 years ago when advanced computer modeling for crash simulation became widespread. Now even the lowest Hyundai is decent at safety.

Computer modeling leveled the playing field among car companies.
Not really... computer modeling made things better, but only crashing prototypes and then production models prove crashworthiness. ie look at the 2012 Prius V small overlap IIHS. Pitiful and well within that 15 to 20 year window. Toyota didn't bother to fix the problem till 2015??? Talk about lack of care for the customer!

Volvo has the best crash test facility in the world. The only facility that can crash two cars at speed at any angle to be able to reproduce any real world crash. YouTube has a great video of a wrecked Volvo on a Swedish road and then reproduced the identical crash on another identical Volvo. Yep identical damage in the lab. All the other companies may have computer models, but only Volvo has their own crash testing facility.

Last year when my elderly father and I were stopped on the interstate and then rear ended in that 2018 XC90 service loaner we both agreed we felt nothing! WIPPS and the well researched five grades of steel used in the body creating crumple zones and the car automatically locked the breaks to prevent hitting the car in front saved us and the non Volvo driving people in front of us from injury. The 2003 Dodge Durango had such a severely bent frame and radiator smashed into the engine could not be moved on its own. We drove away A-OK! Also don't forget my father's friend who died in a new Altima last year. SIPPS is more than just a airbag. Volvo is still the only company with a crumple zone down the center of the car to absorb impact energy via the SIPPS bar under or in the seat (depending on the model). What extra cost would a copy of the SIPPS bar cost Nissan? It cost one life I know of.

May I steal a line from the movie Risky Business and replace the word Porsche with Volvo to make it correct in my mind?. "Volvo, there is no substitute!" June
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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by redc70 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:26 pm

Err, Toyota, Ford, GM, Honda all have their own facilities as well. Mercedes had its own facility in 1973.

https://hondanews.com/releases/honda-co ... mode=print
Also tests from all angles.
https://www.torquenews.com/1083/volvo-v ... t-vehicles

This thread has become tedious. Does ANY of this talk make me feel any different about Volvo? Heck no!
I think the moral of all this is just don't crash and try and stay out of the way!
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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by LOB » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:14 am

Here's a video of a P80 vs new V70 crash test (the one June is mentioning a few post above). I think the old one stands up pretty well....


According to a major swedish insurance company, investigating 170 000 accidents, the P80 is,still in 2017, 20-39% safer than the average car (average car is about 11 years old) in Sweden (NB, passive safety, when the accident has occurred).

https://www.folksam.se/tester-och-goda- ... r-ar-bilen

In Swedish but the explain how they achieved their results in English;
https://www.folksam.se/media/S4534_Folk ... -34877.pdf
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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by LOB » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:50 am

j-dawg wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:10 pm

The '97 850 death rate is 39 (ie, 39 deaths per million registered vehicle years). The average death rate for all 2014 vehicles is 30.

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Does the statistics that you're referring to take into account that a Volvo 850 nowadays is mostly driven by teenagers?

According to a bit more sophisticated statistics that I'm referring to above the P80 is still safer than average....



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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by Sommerfeldt » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:38 am

LOB wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:50 am
Does the statistics that you're referring to take into account that a Volvo 850 nowadays is mostly driven by teenagers?
Though not a teenager, I drive like one, so that must count, right? :?:

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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by June » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:17 am

For those curious what happens when a Volvo hits a VW? Here is the answer! I'll take the Volvo please! June



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Re: Safety of S70 vs newer cars

Post by Rattnalle » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:28 am

June wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:17 am
For those curious what happens when a Volvo hits a VW? Here is the answer! I'll take the Volvo please! June

To be fair that's also a case of weight. Considering the Golf of that generation is somewhere just shy of a tonne lighter than the XC90 it does really well. Getting hit by the train is never comfortable. Also illustrates why heavier is better only benefits one side of the equation.

But again. How it looks isn't really the most interesting aspect. The car is supposed to get smashed up to absorb energy. It's how much energy the occupants are subject to and if the cabin keeps it shape that's important. That said for this test of cars a similar age I'd also want to be in the XC90. But smash that Golf into a P80 that's essentially designed during the 80s and then updated and it's quite likely equal or the other way around.



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