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Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

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Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by Paul-93-850 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:57 pm

The State of California has approved to pay me $1500 to drive my 1993 Volvo 850 to a dismantler to be scrapped. The car runs good because I've worked on it for 12 years. Mileage is around 137K.

The dash board's old brittle plastics all started cracking, rattling, popping, creaking really bad. Speaker grills popped off. Maybe a few screws in the right places might stabilize dash temporarily, maybe not. Next the heater core failed so I bypassed it. Later the AC stopped working. Above 60 MPH there's this really loud buzzing sound maybe near catalytic convertor. It needs a paint job. When I turn on the vent the air smells funny.

There's not many of these left in LA so if anyone needs a project there's still time to save it from the crusher. It passed smog 6 months ago after I replaced vacuum hoses, PCV canister and hoses, intake manifold gasket etc.

I feel like a hipster driving this classic in a sea of look-alike new cars. I worked on it for 12 years - now it's someone else's turn. Last chance to save it!



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Re: Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by WhatAmIDoing » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:19 pm

The state is paying you $1500 to scrap a $350 car... what a time to be alive (and what a shame).


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Re: Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by LOB » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:33 am

Why would the state of California bother with emissions created when producing a new car? The emissions and pollution will be somewhere else, probably in Asia, and those emissions won't be included in the calculations of CA transportation emissions anyway. Wear and tear in the name of the environment!



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Re: Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by Rattnalle » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:06 am

LOB wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:33 am
Why would the state of California bother with emissions created when producing a new car? The emissions and pollution will be somewhere else, probably in Asia, and those emissions won't be included in the calculations of CA transportation emissions anyway. Wear and tear in the name of the environment!
There's tailpipe emissions standard improvements as well.

But in general a lot of these schemes to pay for getting older cars off the road have more to do with creating business for car manufacturers. It'd be better to create proper incentives to own and drive efficient cars. Getting the thirsty ones off the road and making it less attractive to buy new ones rather than more efficient new cars.



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Re: Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by abscate » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:36 am

Fuel taxes are the logical way to do this,but they are extremely regressive, which is the reason they aren’t high in the US. You guys in those countries that have figured out how to keep your middle class don’t have that problem.


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Re: Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by tardcart » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:45 am

next California will pay males to get castrated 1500 a month after they get bored with gun and old car buybacks. as lob pointed out; mining, paint dry ing and plastics being formed and transport from Asia negate all emissions benefits. plus the commute for a years work to pay for the new car.



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Re: Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by abscate » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:12 am

If you’re car passed smog you aren’t eligible for BAR, unless something else is going on?

On edit...there are number of ways can rs can qualify for buyback, and some include smog passing cars.

It’s a good program because if you fail smog, you get enough money to buy someth8ng used that will pass smog without throwing money into something questionable.

By the time I drove that thing to the yard ( another requirement) it would weigh half the advertised curb weight


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Re: Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by Rattnalle » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:28 am

abscate wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:36 am
Fuel taxes are the logical way to do this,but they are extremely regressive, which is the reason they aren’t high in the US. You guys in those countries that have figured out how to keep your middle class don’t have that problem.
We've more or less always had energy taxes going on so we're used to it. Adding it all att once from pretty much zero will be a shock. Also we haven't built our cities and communities quite as car-first as you have even if we aren't too far behind. They're just as regressive on our end it's just that they've always been there. But the whole point is to make it too expensive to drive cars that use too much fuel or drive when you don't need to. Or have a house that doesn't keep heat, or leave the lights on when you're not home. Most people aren't rich enough not to have to care and that's the point.

Plus our income disparity is a million times smaller than yours. Socialism rocks, to a certain extent.



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Re: Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by abscate » Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:34 am

I just got a huge tax cut at the expense of the working class. Insane.

We have built our living arrangements way too car dependent but that is changing. Young people are moving to denser living and not buying cars.

I told my kids, a 25k car bought at age 21 has a $1M retirement equivalent. Do you want a shiny new car, or your retirement finished?

They all went for the old $1000 car. Smart kids.


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Re: Los Angeles - running 1993 850 going to the dismantler?

Post by LOB » Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:06 am

Rattnalle wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:06 am
LOB wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:33 am
Why would the state of California bother with emissions created when producing a new car? The emissions and pollution will be somewhere else, probably in Asia, and those emissions won't be included in the calculations of CA transportation emissions anyway. Wear and tear in the name of the environment!
There's tailpipe emissions standard improvements as well.

But in general a lot of these schemes to pay for getting older cars off the road have more to do with creating business for car manufacturers. It'd be better to create proper incentives to own and drive efficient cars. Getting the thirsty ones off the road and making it less attractive to buy new ones rather than more efficient new cars.
Tailpipe emissions (NOX) are probably lower from my 1997 850 compared to a modern VW diesel.
According to this article the manufacturing of a Ford Mondeo generates
17 000 kg co2.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... nt-new-car

The "mpg" of my 850 is approximately 1 liter per 10 km (23.5 mpg). Buying a new car that consumes 30% less I would need to drive
240 000 km (150 K miles) to compensate for the emissions from manufacturing the new car.
1 l petrol is 2.32kg co2.
17000/2.32=7327 liter. The emissions from manufacturing is the equivalent of 7327,59 liter petrol burnt. 7327.59/0.3= 24 4250 km.

Environmentally I think I'd better stick to my car until it's scrap, then buying a electric car.

Besides Ratnalle, using the term "socialism" writing to Americans might be misunderstood. "Socialism" in an American context can almost be translated to "stalinism" in swedish.



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