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Turbo + supercharger + EV = too much?

Post by matthew1 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:57 pm

These hybrid Volvos... is it just too much? Us DIY'ers know complexity is a necessary evil, so when they pile on all this stuff onto a high tech 2-liter 4-cylinder, is it asking for trouble? I think it is. I'm wary.

https://www.volvocars.com/en-ca/build/hybrid

They're building them this way -- T8 designation -- on the S90 ($74,950), XC90 (also $74,950) and XC60 ($71,850).
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Re: Turbo + supercharger + EV = too much?

Post by abscate » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:18 pm

AS Charles Bronson said..
($74,950), XC90 (also $74,950) and XC60 ($71,850).
You've got two decimal points too many....


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Post by matthew1 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:30 pm

It amazes me how much good cars cost today. Yet when I compare them vs. prices from say the 1990s that have been adjusted for inflation, they're not all that expensive.
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Re: Turbo + supercharger + EV = too much?

Post by abscate » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:49 pm

My 1999 T5 was 36k in 1999, new.

In 2019 USD that’s 55k at USG CPI
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Re: Turbo + supercharger + EV = too much?

Post by matthew1 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:13 pm

So let's say $55k is ballpark, today, for a decent car. That checks out with a Reality Check™ by building an S60 clocking in at $54,800.

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4-Zone Electronic Climate Control w/ Cooled Glove Box | Clean Zone Air Quality System | Humidity Sensor | Panoramic Sun Roof with Power Operation | 12.3" Full Graphical Instrument Cluster | Ventilated Nappa Leather Upholstery | Ventilated Front Seats | Comfort Seat Padding | Power Adjustable Drivers Seat with Memory | Power Adjustable Passengers Seat | Passenger Seat with Memory | 4-Way Power Adjustable Lumbar Support | Heated Front Seats | Power Folding Rear Backrests w/ Tailgate Operation | Power Folding Rear Headrests | Centre rear armrest with cupholders and storage | Cushion Extension | Driftwood Decor Inlays | Deco Panels in Dash, Doors & Tunnel Console | Illuminated Vanity Mirrors in Sunvisor | Tailored Instrument Panel | 3-Spoke Leather Steering Wheel w/ Uni Decor Inlay | Netpocket on tunnel | 120 Volt Outlet in Rear Console | Auto-Dimming Rearview Mirror | Textile Carpet Kit | Volvo Metal Sillmoulding | High Level Interior Illumination | Blonde Roof Colour Interior | Cargo opening scuff plate - plastic | 12V Power Outlet in Cargo Area | High Performance Sound | Remote control buttons in steering wheel | 2 USB connections | Bluetooth connection | Sensus Navigation | Road Sign Information (RSI) | Volvo On-Call incl. Remote Start & Vehicle Tracking w/ 4-Year Subscription | Smartphone Integration w/ USB Hub (iPhone & Android) | Sirius XM Radio System | Speech Activated Functions

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Re: Turbo + supercharger + EV = too much?

Post by abscate » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:36 pm

Does IT come with a 5 speed or a 6 speed?


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Post by matthew1 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:43 pm

8 speed auto if memory serves.


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Re: Turbo + supercharger + EV = too much?

Post by 93Regina » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:46 pm

matthew1 wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:13 pm
I'm not sure of my point,
Vehicle pricing is not always related to build costs....lower priced Ford/GM vehicles were discontinued, due to lower profit margins.

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DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Co (GM.N) posted a better-than-expected net profit on Thursday as high-margin pickup trucks, SUVs and crossovers helped overcome slowing sales in the United States and China, and reiterated its full-year earnings forecast.
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Those with disposable income tend to buy more trendy vehicles...so we're talking some 40k+ to get into that social club. They pick-n-choose.



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Re: Turbo + supercharger + EV = too much?

Post by 93Regina » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:49 pm

abscate wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:18 pm
You've got two decimal points too many....
That was a Canadian site, btw



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Re: Turbo + supercharger + EV = too much?

Post by j-dawg » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:23 am

I do agree that the T8s will probably be less durable in the very long term than our well-cared-for 850s, just as they themselves are less durable than were the 240s. But most 850s have been scrapped by now, due to busted timing belts, popped heater cores, neglected PCVs, etc. The median 850 probably didn't make it past 200k. I'd expect the average S60 to last as long as did the average 850, and be a much better car all the while.

Maybe the best-maintained T8s won't last as long as have the best-maintained 850s, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the general population.


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