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Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2

Post by pgill » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:32 pm

All,

I wanted to share what I know about the anti drain valve that is under the oil filter

Description of the anti drain valve
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LR2 oil filter housing info.jpg
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Anti Drain valve removed from the housing
the black rubber disc is what hold the oil in the housing when the engine is turned off.
If your black rubber disc is missing or damaged then it is time to fix it.
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View from above with the oil filter removed
Note: this is what you see when you remove the oil filter during an oil change
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And the last picture

For this picture I did the following

1. I drained the engine oil without removing the cap for the oil filter (waited 20 minutes for the oil to stop dripping)

2. I placed the measuring cup under the oil drain hole

3. I opened up the oil filter housing

4. I measured how much oil is held up by the anti drain valve (look at the picture)
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700 CC is a lot of fluid

If your anti drain valve is broken (it was broken on both of my 3.2's) then the reading on the dipstick isn't correct

Take care

Paul
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Re: Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2

Post by amblerman » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm

This seems to also imply that on your car, you should change the filter first before draining the oil correct?
That way any oil held in reserve is now in the pan to be drained with the oil.

I don't have a P3 and have always changed my filters after draining the oil and putting plug back in. my cars (s70, honda accord, toyota sienna) all use a complete filter and not just the cartridge.

Interesting. thanks for doing the experiment.
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Re: Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2

Post by pgill » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:54 pm

amblerman wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm
This seems to also imply that on your car, you should change the filter first before draining the oil correct?
That way any oil held in reserve is now in the pan to be drained with the oil.

I don't have a P3 and have always changed my filters after draining the oil and putting plug back in. my cars (s70, honda accord, toyota sienna) all use a complete filter and not just the cartridge.

Interesting. thanks for doing the experiment.
-A
Amblerman,

What you wrote is 100% correct.

Thanks for pointing that out.

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Re: Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2

Post by MoVolvos » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:55 pm

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I know this is the wrong forum but would you happen to know if the 2.5 T5's as in my 08 C30 T5 has the anti-drain valve feature? It has the same type of housing from the top of the engine. Here is the link to the housing. Thanks.

https://usparts.volvocars.com/a/Volvo_2 ... 54064.html


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Re: Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2

Post by pgill » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:56 am

MoVolvos wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:55 pm
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I know this is the wrong forum but would you happen to know if the 2.5 T5's as in my 08 C30 T5 has the anti-drain valve feature? It has the same type of housing from the top of the engine. Here is the link to the housing. Thanks.

https://usparts.volvocars.com/a/Volvo_2 ... 54064.html
MoVolvos,

Unfortunately I am not familiar with the T5.

It is possible that Volvo used the same anti drain solution on the T5 that they used on the 3.2 and 3.0T

Take a picture the next time you change the oil

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Re: Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2

Post by MoVolvos » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:32 am

pgill wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:56 am
MoVolvos wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:55 pm
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I know this is the wrong forum but would you happen to know if the 2.5 T5's as in my 08 C30 T5 has the anti-drain valve feature? It has the same type of housing from the top of the engine. Here is the link to the housing. Thanks.

https://usparts.volvocars.com/a/Volvo_2 ... 54064.html
MoVolvos,

Unfortunately I am not familiar with the T5.

It is possible that Volvo used the same anti drain solution on the T5 that they used on the 3.2 and 3.0T

Take a picture the next time you change the oil

Take care

Paul
Thanks Paul, I'll take a look.


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Re: Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2

Post by jimmy57 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:56 am

Any canister with element oil filter on any of the engines using it, from IH/Ford 6.0/6.4 to Mercedes to Volvo, all should have the oil filter cap unscrewed and then oil is drained, all of them have the drain valve that closes a drain once the cap pushes the filter down. once you finish the oil drain the new filter is installed last. That filter style allows greater capture of waste oil and filter element can be squeezed to get the majority of oil out of the paper filter. recycling the metal spin on filters requires cutting them open to get paper element out and that is expensive. It was either proposed law or was made in law in some European countries so any manufacturer selling vehicles there did that filter on engines sold in that country. The Schrader valve fittings on fuel lines that Volvo had in two places for a few model years were for suctioning gasoline from the fuel line so fuel filters could be changed with no loss of fuel. When the filters went inside tank, some not serviceable without pump, they dropped the Schrader valve on some and left it on others for test port.



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Re: Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2

Post by pgill » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:23 am

jimmy57 wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:56 am
Any canister with element oil filer
...........all of them have the drain valve that closes a drain once the cap pushes the filter down.................
Jimmy,

Thanks for that explanation.

It makes sense.

The engineers should be aware that filling the oil filter housing every-time the engine is cold started is detrimental to engine life.

Now that we have determined that the anti drain valve is a critical feature I have two comments

1 - The reason I started this thread is to raise awareness that this critical feature can fail

2 - I need to know where to send my complaint to the Audi engineers that solved this problem by turning the housing upside-down (which makes oil filter changes a messy experience)

Take care

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Re: Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2

Post by jimmy57 » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:41 am

Volvo 4,5,6 cylinder "white" engines have that problem. Some engines of some makes with bottom mount have a drain plug for filter so the filter can drain before you removed it. The Volvo DriveE 4 cylinders have a filter drain on their bottom cap.



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Re: Oil Anti Drain Valve for the P3 -- 3.0T and 3.2  Topic is solved

Post by pgill » Fri Dec 06, 2019 2:47 pm

jimmy57 wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:41 am
Volvo 4,5,6 cylinder "white" engines have that problem. Some engines of some makes with bottom mount have a drain plug for filter so the filter can drain before you removed it. The Volvo DriveE 4 cylinders have a filter drain on their bottom cap.
Jimmy,

It does make me feel better that I am not the only one suffering


Everyone else,

If you change your oil on your 3.2 or 3.0T and you fine one of these then your anti drain valve is broken
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Good Luck

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