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Friendly reminder to avoid Lemforder/Chinese strut top bearing mounts/plates

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Friendly reminder to avoid Lemforder/Chinese strut top bearing mounts/plates

Post by - Pete - » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:56 pm

Hi everyone.

I just wanted to share my most recent experience with these extremely low lifespan units.
I bought a small pile of the Lemforder's a while back. Incidentally, this was around the time Lemforder changed manufacturing of these from Germany to PR of China.

As stated by several smart people on here, be very discerning when evaluating products on FCP; the number of yellow stars by the reviews don't always tell an accurate tale. Always check for country of manufacture, as well as scroll through the Q&A tab of any product you have interested in. If there are no questions asked, ask one. They typically reply within 24 hours in my experience.

This is the second set from that unfortunate pile that I've changed out due to will-be-failing-soon type sounds at just over 10K miles of light use. This set was installed at 128,900 miles, clicking/binding sounds initially detected around 135,000 & quite noticeable by 140k when I changed them.

Allegedly, Meyle HD top mounts are made in Germany. I can't corroborate this since my boxes/parts depict no country of manufacture, but I am running Meyle HD top mounts in 2 non-XC P2's at the moment. My (4) Meyle boxes had no indication of country of manufacture; typically there is a little white sticker on Meyle boxes stating where it is made. All the Meyle stuff I've installed over the years has one of three countries printed on the sticker - Germany, Turkey, PR of China.

If the Meyle HD mounts S the B prematurely, I'll be going Febi/INA.

Take care everyone.






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Post by ndphotonl » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:08 am

Thanks for the heads up!
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Post by oragex » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:33 am

Don't forget to add your review at Fcp https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo- ... 68#reviews

Yep, the shocking cheap price was already a good indicator something is wrong.. at under $20 when a good aftermarket one was around $40-$50. As for the Made in Germany, to me that is not a standard in itself. I had Febi spring seats stamped and boxed Made in Germany, only to fail within 1 year with cracks on the rubber. Germans make both good and poor products, just as Chinese make both good and bad. The big question is, what is going on with the Lemforder management team. How possibly could they go this low, just for a part they don't actually 'need' to have in their catalogue. That is a worrying sign the Lemforder management has changed team members and may start going downhill. I had similar experience with sealed box individual replacement Lemforder rear bushings for the front control arms for S60 and also for XC90. Garbage bushings that failed in less than 6 months. Hopefully their full control arms are still good but I wish people would give a long term update on these. Let's hope Lemforder is not going to sink, because they are about the only decent brand for several parts, if they go downhill, we are going to struggle getting quality parts at affordable prices.

Edit: the INA strut mounts for 850 S70 are good quality. I don't know what's the difference with the ones for S60, maybe the plate has a slightly different shape ? Wonder if the bearing can be pressed out and swapped into a S60 plate https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo- ... -a#fitment

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Post by chrism » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:40 pm

A few years ago I had my local Volvo Indy replace a spring seat for me. He laid a Volvo blue box part on the counter next to what I recall was a rein brand part. They looked identical except, on the rein unit, you could see where the molded “Volvo” name had been ground off - exact same location.

https://www.partsgeek.com/hrbcnxd-volvo ... -seat.html

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Post by erikv11 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:25 pm

It's INA on the strut mount (top bearing).

Don't buy the cheap crap for struts, ever.
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Post by oragex » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:27 pm

Correct. In the past I believe the genuine spring seats were made by Sachs - they still sell the part, but the genuine ones are now made by CRP/Rein. For having owned both the Sachs and the Rein ones, I feel the Sachs were more flexible at the center sleeve and were giving a slightly 'cushy' feeling at highway speed - a very nice feeling like the car was somehow 'gliding'. The Rein CRP ones don't have this feeling.

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Post by StickyPocket » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:11 pm

oragex wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:33 am
I wish people would give a long term update on these.
I had Lemforder control arms and ball joints changed on my 04 S60 actually exactly a year ago yesterday. In that time I put about 7-8k miles on it. Here are some pictures of the bushings (just getting under the car - they're still installed. Sorry for bad angles):
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The rubber is still in place for all 4 but are those stress cracks in the rubber for the back ones? My eyes are untrained to what is really bad.

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Post by - Pete - » Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:55 pm

Stickypocket, those are fine. The rear bushings will exhibit some small tears like that as the vulcanized rubber flexes with front suspension travel. Don’t fret yet, but get in the habit of checking them when you’re under the car.

I believe your Lemforder ball joints are made in Germany & of decent quality.

I’ll post a picture of some bad control arm bushings.

If in question, get the front end in the air & wedge a pry bar behind the control arm bushing in question. If, with some gently prying, there is movement, she’s done for, or nearly so.

The severity of failed control arm bushings can be measured at the steering wheel while at speed. If you have bump steer or wandering, randomly pulling steering, better get the job tackled. If not, it can wait.
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Post by - Pete - » Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:11 pm

StickyPocket wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:11 pm
My eyes are untrained to what is really bad.
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Post by RickHaleParker » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:52 am

oragex wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:33 am
The big question is, what is going on with the Lemforder management team.
Let us hope the it is contained to Lemförder because, Lemförder, Sachs and TRW are owned by ZF Friedrichshafen.
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