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93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

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93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by JimBee » Thu May 28, 2020 7:12 pm

Today I discovered what look like hammer dents up and down my B pillar, but on closer inspection it's clear somebody had a device inside the door seal, probably trying to get to the lock post. The inside of the door jamb has deep scratches.

Anyway, two questions: if they had secured a tool around the lock post could it have been pulled up without the key turning in the lock cylinder?

And if they had gained entry, I suppose if they had the tool to get that far, they would have had a slide puller to remove the key cylinder. But by that time, the alarm would have been going off — I know that works. And if that didn't stop them, would turning the key switch with a screw driver enable the car to start?

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Re: 93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by GrumpyOldMan » Fri May 29, 2020 2:50 am

Pft.
Not even an amateur attempt.

I'm basing the below comments on my base model '96.

When locked the snipper button sits flush with the door trim.
So trying to snag and lift that won't work.
The doors have various internal measures to prevent 'slim jim' attacks.

If they did gain entry,
A brute force screw driver twist on the ignition barrel would break the shear pins rendering the whole ignition barrel assembly a useless free spinning lump of metal.
If they use a slide hammer to remove the ignition barrel, and try turning the ignition wafer with a screwdriver, again useless due to the factory immobiliser that requires a signal from the rfid chip in the key head.

There are much easier ways to steal a car.

I suspect your creeps just wanted an opportunistic entry to rummage for loose items like whatever's in the glove box.

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Re: 93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by erikv11 » Fri May 29, 2020 10:01 am

GrumpyOldMan wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 2:50 am
... I'm basing the below comments on my base model '96.
...
If they use a slide hammer to remove the ignition barrel, and try turning the ignition wafer with a screwdriver, again useless due to the factory immobiliser that requires a signal from the rfid chip in the key head.
...
Fact check, just so people don't get confused by this post: Negative, your '96 car (like OP's '93) does not have an rfid chip key. Those first showed up in P80 cars in the US spec '99 models, so in '98 or '99 in Awestruckalia.
'95 854 T5-R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'96 855 NA, 145k
'98 S70 NA, 220k (living out west)
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 286k
'06 S60 R, 167k
'99 Camry V6 :shock: 125k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k

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Re: 93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by E Showell » Fri May 29, 2020 12:06 pm

Who the blank is trying to steal 27 y/o cars?
'98 V70 NA FWD 5 spd, silver sand metallic (sold)
'99 V70 NA FWD Auto, dark blue (actively for sale)
'99 S70 NA FWD Auto, black (sold and resurrected -- Don't cry for me Argentina . . . )
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Re: 93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by erikv11 » Fri May 29, 2020 2:46 pm

No evidence anyone was trying to steal it. Much more likely this is standard urban breaking-and-entering, looking for goodies.
'95 854 T5-R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'96 855 NA, 145k
'98 S70 NA, 220k (living out west)
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 286k
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Re: 93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by JimBee » Fri May 29, 2020 5:07 pm

Honestly, I have a suspect, based on years of local harassment and who might well have enjoyed himself trying to pry his way in.
I know from multiple comments over the years he does envy that car (and other things about my property)—it's emerald green with sport wheels and at least on the drivers side *did* look nice and clean. Washed up the passenger side isn't bad either. Plus it has a 5 speed manual trans and GLT trim, slightly messed up by PO. It's spunky, drives well and is a fun ride.

I haven't had any issues with the alarm system so haven't really learned anything about it. But now I'm supposing that the key operated door lock that is connected to the alarm system probably also interlocks with the ignition—if so, that answers my question.

The car has been attacked twice before (with pretty strong evidence of who dunnit), resulting in two broken windshields and dings along the top of the hood where the landscaping block rolled down off the front.

I've had a security camera that has been protecting only its shipping carton for awhile. Time to get it installed.

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Re: 93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by abscate » Sat May 30, 2020 8:51 am

I've had a security camera that has been protecting only its shipping carton for awhile. Time to get it installed.
Classic.

Sorry for your travails, and I hope this crap stops.

When you think you know the party involved do you

... nothing

..... innocently tell party that you had a break in on another car and have since put cameras in all your rides?

??
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Re: 93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by JimBee » Sat May 30, 2020 11:52 am

abscate: thanks for your condolences!

Hmmm, cameras in my rides? Can you suggest options?

Maybe that needs to be a new topic.

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Re: 93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by GrumpyOldMan » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:13 am

erikv11 wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 10:01 am
GrumpyOldMan wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 2:50 am
... I'm basing the below comments on my base model '96.
...
If they use a slide hammer to remove the ignition barrel, and try turning the ignition wafer with a screwdriver, again useless due to the factory immobiliser that requires a signal from the rfid chip in the key head.
...
Fact check, just so people don't get confused by this post: Negative, your '96 car (like OP's '93) does not have an rfid chip key. Those first showed up in P80 cars in the US spec '99 models, so in '98 or '99 in Awestruckalia.
So when I replaced my ignition wafer, what is the ring around the barrel just behind the cowling on the key side ?
Its been a while so my memory is foggy but there's something about it causing starting issues if the wiring/connector gets corroded.

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Re: 93 850 GLT Attempted forced entry, question about starting

Post by abscate » Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:54 am

Antenna ring is common name. The rarely go bad, so its a perfect junkyard part for next to nothing vs $40-50 new?
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