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Re: FCP Speaks Up

Post by MoVolvos » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:45 pm

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In this case you'd have more shootings and deaths.

A better question might be, " What is the private property material equivalency of a human life ? A TV, a car, a building ? "
We should all know the rules before we start the game.
It's not a game and who makes the rules? Torch my car and not my house or neighborhood? Fight me but leave my kids alone? What does the Wendy's being burned down a day ago have to do with games and rules? CHAZ is working out well, do you want to join the conversation and defund the police in your neighborhood? Who do you want patrolling your neighborhood?

Born in Taiwan to a mainlander Father who fled the communist and spent 20 years in the military I am considered an Outer Provincer in Taiwan but I was too young to understand. I'm glad I have not visited Taiwan since leaving in 71. The first school in CA was predominately white and don't remember seeing blacks. In 72 we moved to SF and we got the same racial treatment from blacks. Brother brought a knife due to the daily bulling especially in the bathroom. The principal called me in and I told him we try to go the restroom together or else we would have to defend ourselves alone. Being the knife couldn't slice water and had no point he sympathized with us. When Bruce Lee was all the rage the racial stuff subsided.

In 84 when my brother and I visited China by ourselves we got off the plane to soldiers and rifles (routine of course) and in town my relatives feared for our safety because I am from the Renegade Province and because my father was a liaison officer for the U.S. military very higher ups. The only time I had a fight in school was with a Mexican kid.

I get it and from all sides but I'm seeking to understand. Hate is irrespective of color. People riot and loot because their team lost. The villager don't like the villagers down the ways... on and on... The only time I've seen harmony was the second church I attended. Jewish Pastor with a multicultural bunch in a black neighborhood.

I currently don't own a firearm but from those that do I've encountered and seen on TV it seems like a responsible bunch or regular gun owners out protecting their own lives and property and this from the Gov if push comes to shove. No peaceful protester would fear or have a problem with the millions and millions of gun owners who wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone being attacked and I hope you too would go to the aid of someone who was in harms way.

That being said I thought the two videos from a black's counterpoint was interesting and as Volvo owners we deal with facts. If FCP was selling a bad part we tell each other about it but we shouldn't pressure each other to condemn the entire company for a few bad parts or potentially a few bad experiences. Lumping all police as bad is as bad as lumping all protesters as anarchist. Deal with the bad police as well as the anarchist and leave other peoples property and persons alone. The black retired police officer working security was shot by a young black and who is protesting in his name? Protest but when it becomes criminal call it for what it is including the police.
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Re: FCP Speaks Up

Post by Sveedy » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:43 pm

Well I don't mean to offend. My first question was rhetorical, and the " game " comment was sarcastic. But I stand by both.

And since you brought him up ( one of my heroes too ) -

" Here's the thing. Acting violently in a violent culture only perpetuates violence. In a violent culture the worse thing you can do is react violently. Violence should only ever be used as an act of self defense, and even then used only as a last resort. "
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Re: FCP Speaks Up

Post by RickHaleParker » Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:16 pm

MoVolvos wrote:
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What if people of all colors with firearms fill the streets to control the looting, burning and "violence" from both sides?
That would be a Band Aid fix, it is just treating the symptoms.
The root cause needs to be addressed and proper solution executed.
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Re: FCP Speaks Up

Post by MoVolvos » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:55 pm

RickHaleParker wrote:
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MoVolvos wrote:
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What if people of all colors with firearms fill the streets to control the looting, burning and "violence" from both sides?
That would be a Band Aid fix, it is just treating the symptoms.
The root cause needs to be addressed and proper solution executed.
The problem is people have differing views on the root cause. I think Bruce would advocate using duct tape rather than band-aid to stop the bleeding / the destruction of others peoples property and live-hood till a discussion can even begin. There are people in CHAZ who don't want their city controlled by the mob.

I'm not sure the people in the streets don't agree.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nobody-going ... 09233.html

The two in the video agrees that the problem is within their own community.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020 ... lice-crime

Maybe one day there will be few incidences of a race in Sweden that died at the hands of the police. Will Volvo's be the target of vandalism and destruction. No one denounces the criminal activities in the street but just focus on white people and the police. Anyone group, religion or race can take place of white and police.

As for my original question when does someones silence deserve violence. Free speech is no longer free when someone, anyone intimates you to say what they are advocating whether white, black, yellow, or authority (police).
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MoVolvos wrote:
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As for my original question when does someones silence deserve violence. Free speech is no longer free when someone, anyone intimates you to say what they are advocating whether white, black, yellow, or authority (police).
It is still free speech. Nobody is going to pay you for it.
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Re: FCP Speaks Up

Post by MoVolvos » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:34 pm

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It only takes a few cases regardless of the circumstances for Volvos to be targets. Sweden = Volvos.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/switzerland- ... 01936.html
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Re: FCP Speaks Up

Post by abscate » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:42 am

Silence is Violence is a wake up call that we can't have a huge piece of society (in America) marginalized, and expect it to remain peaceful. The disproportionate suffering of minorities during Covid, about to get a lot worse, is the big fuel here.

The racists often focus on the fringe of the movement and those trying to use the protests for anarchy and just plain stealing to discredit those who want to peacefully protest, of course.
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Post by RickHaleParker » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:23 pm

BlackBart wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:33 pm

Racism and tribalism and them-and-us and "others" begin very early. I believe they are mostly a learned behavior.
The motive behind all forms of discrimination is the same. People or incorporated persons trying to get something without having earned it. If one does not let themselves get caught up in the perpetrator's smoke screen one can see that.

For example racism is a smoke screen. By the rules of biology classification there is only one human race. Because of that, technical human racism cannot be. It never has been a issue of black vs white. The perpetrators would like define the issue that way. It covers up the true motive.

The US Civil war was not fought between "blacks" and "whites'. It was fought between decent people and perpetrators taking something without earning it. The 14th amendment was not ratified by "black" voters, that group was denied the vote at that time.

The motive behind the holocaust is very clear. It was the wealth the Nazis seized from the victims. It was mass murder for profit.

The biggest thing one can do to combat discrimination is: Do not let the perpetrators define the issues. Call it out for what it really is.
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Re: FCP Speaks Up

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Re: FCP Speaks Up

Post by abscate » Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:40 pm

Larry Elder? Really?

Let’s dust off Thomas Sowell while we are at it.

Anyone who thinks there isn’t systemic racism still alive in the US needs to get out more...
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