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1992 - 1997 850, including 850 R, 850 T-5R, 850 T-5, 850 GLT
1997 - 2000 S70, S70 AWD
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Re: 95 850: the horn messed up the lights

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Update

I installed the new pair of horns. they worked great for a while.

Then the horn and everything else went haywire as usual. I unplugged ABS because i suspected it was causing an issue. Havent had any of those issues since then, but there is still a faulty ground somewhere causing random honks. Abscate said its on the steering column. Anyone know where that ground is?
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05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
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Alright. I figured out the horn was not causing the issue. Its likely the abs module. I bought another abs module. I swapped it out. Turned the key to accessory. Nothing weird. Started the car. Nothing weird. Successfully operated the horn, radio, headlights, turn signals, sunroof, heated mirrors, and hazards several times. They all work. Will test next 5 days. Will update once that test is done.
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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Again, I was wrong. It was not the abs module. Still buggin along. Tomorrow I will go buy a new volt meter so I can test the fuse box.
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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I tested all aspects of the ABS. Not the issue. Tested the headlights. Not the issue. I do however remember the seller telling me the speed sensor on the back of the transmission was causing cluster issues. Maybe Ill try that. I do have the new part. The area is difficult to get to though.
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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Major update: Review all the videos I posted. They should all be captioned underneath.

While I did replace the speed sensor on back of trans and that didn't fix the issue, I did find weirder and crazier things happening. Could that left power wire on the iac (based on voltage pics) be causing a problem?
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iac always on?
iac 3 wire harness, Ignition OFF, middle power voltage
iac 3 wire harness, Ignition OFF, middle power voltage
iac 3 wire harness, Ignition OFF, left power voltage
iac 3 wire harness, Ignition OFF, left power voltage
iac 3 wire harness, Ignition ON, middle power voltage
iac 3 wire harness, Ignition ON, middle power voltage
ac 3 wire harness, Ignition ON, left power voltage
ac 3 wire harness, Ignition ON, left power voltage
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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😭 All of ^this^ hulabaloo and trickery over 2 J relays under the hood. I still can't wrap my head around how relieved I am. It was ending up a failure but then ended a success.
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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How did you track this issue down? It would be helpful to understand your diagnostic process as it is a weird issue.

Thanks,

Neil.
2006 V70 2.5T AWD Polestar tune
2000 V70 R - still being an endless PITA
2006 XC70 - Our son now has this and still parked in our garage
2003 Toyota 4Runner V8 Limited
2015 Kia Sportage EX-L - Sold
1993 850 GLT -Sold
1998 V70 XC - Sold
1997 Volvo 850 SE NA - Went to niece in California - Sold
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scot850 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2026, 18:41 How did you track this issue down? It would be helpful to understand your diagnostic process as it is a weird issue.

Thanks,

Neil.
That's why I was so thankful you recommended paying Robert $10 to solve the issue. I told him everything going wrong with the electrical. He was the one that said it sounded like either 1 or 2 (not all 3) J relays might have gone bad. I changed them. Voila. Everything's peachy now. I did not diagnose anything since my last post on this thread.
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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Ok, I thought those 2 things were connected, but wither way, glad you got a simple resolution in the end. I'd say $10 worth while spending when you can get that diagnosis so quickly!!

Glad you got your car sorted. Does that mean you no longer need a car like Matthews 850R?

I was just talking to my brother as he called. His 97 850 refused to start after a gas fill. Sounds like no fuel. AAA called now. I'll post a couple of fuel relays down. I was sure I sent a spare with the car originally, but probably lost now 9 years later.....

Neil.
2006 V70 2.5T AWD Polestar tune
2000 V70 R - still being an endless PITA
2006 XC70 - Our son now has this and still parked in our garage
2003 Toyota 4Runner V8 Limited
2015 Kia Sportage EX-L - Sold
1993 850 GLT -Sold
1998 V70 XC - Sold
1997 Volvo 850 SE NA - Went to niece in California - Sold
2000 V70 SE NA - Sold

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scot850 wrote: ↑04 Mar 2026, 19:38 Ok, I thought those 2 things were connected, but wither way, glad you got a simple resolution in the end. I'd say $10 worth while spending when you can get that diagnosis so quickly!!

Glad you got your car sorted. Does that mean you no longer need a car like Matthews 850R?

I was just talking to my brother as he called. His 97 850 refused to start after a gas fill. Sounds like no fuel. AAA called now. I'll post a couple of fuel relays down. I was sure I sent a spare with the car originally, but probably lost now 9 years later.....

Neil.
My mom plans to buy it as a starter car for my 16yo sister. Which I'm fine with. I'll be the mechanic. I do still plan to buy his 850R. I might also buy that Highlander I like so much. However, the test drive comes first and that's what I'm going to be doing today.
95 854 Turbo 258K, auto, current
09 Rav4 Ltd3.5Fwd, red, 208K, current
98 V GLE/SE red, 379k (277k), 5sp, trailer in progress...
05 CRV EX AWD, Navy, 170K/184k, sold
03 Accord 2dr V6 silver, 196K/214K, 6sp, t-boned, sold
98 S GT white, 175K, 5sp, sold
96 964 silver, 146K, diff&trans/engine self-destr, crushed 😭
98 XC black, 151K, flooded&bent rod, crushed
01 V Base white, 168k, traded for XC
09 Impala LT1 gray, 196K, sold for 01

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