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DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix! Topic is solved

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Post by cn90 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:35 pm

Those of you familiar with the infamous Ignition Tumbler issue (key does not go past position I, car stuck in parking lot etc.), rejoice, there is a FREE Fix!!!

I wrote a DIY: 1998 Volvo V70 Ignition Switch & Cylinder Lock below at 90K. It happens again at 165K and I am not going to shell out another $270 for the ignition tumbler...
http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... hp?t=34472

Related thread 1999 s70 t5 ignition tumbler?:
http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... hp?t=67376

I confirmed that the SW Lock no longer functions: with key out of ignition, the SW is free to move R and L. This confirms that the small little piece (the Steering Lock pin) broke off and jammed the ignition tumbler.

From my reading elsewhere on the web, some people have removed the bottom rectangular plate with success, so here I go light snow and 30F, just lovely way to spend 1h outside without suffering from hypothermia...lol.

TOOLS:

- Torx keys

- Dremel with diamond cutting wheel (about $25-$30 at local hardware store).
Volvo-Ignition-Tumbler-01.JPG
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PROCEDURE:

1. Move driver seat far back. Loosen the SW adjustment lever to move the SW in or out the way you want.

2. D/C battery ground cable (10-mm wrench).

3. Remove bottom plastic cover (3 Torx bolts). Wiggle it out.
During installation, make sure it mates properly with the upper piece, note the rubber grommets fitment around the stalks (wiper, and turn signal).
Volvo-Ignition-Tumbler-03.JPG

4. Looking up, you will see the rectangular plate. WEAR GOGGLES!
Use Dremel tool to cut exactly at the 3 areas, it will take some 15 minutes.
Do it in cycles to avoid burning out the Dremel electric motor.
Volvo-Ignition-Tumbler-04.JPG

5. Use a flat screwdriver to pry the rectangular plate out, you will see the spring and a small piece falling off. Collect all these pieces, clean them and place them on top your bookshelf as souvenir!!!
Volvo-Ignition-Tumbler-05.JPG

6. Leave the bottom of the ignition tumbler open as shown in the photo below, I see no need to cover it.

That is all folks, this time I am smarter and didn't waste $270 on a new tumbler.

Easy Peasy...Happy Holidays to all of you...

Volvo-Ignition-Tumbler-06.JPG
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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

Post by erikv11 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:56 pm

So are you saying the tumbler is not the issue at all, there is just a piece gets jammed up in there? I've never had this problem just trying to learn about it.

And your post says "it happened again" but actually you mean it happened on two different cars, right, so one car at 90k and a different car at 160k?

Do you think the tumbler you removed at 90k was just fine too, or are there different problems can cause this symptom?


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'96 855 NA, 140k
'98 S70 NA, 210k (living out west)
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'06 S60 R, 160k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k

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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

Post by cn90 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:37 pm

Correct,

1. The small piece fell off and jammed the tumbler.

2. The 1998 S70 had the tumbler replaced in 2007 @ 90K by the P.O. (I have the service records, plus the housing of the tumbler clearly said "07"). I bought the car in Nov 2012 @145K, now I am at 165K.

Knowing all this free fix, I wish I didn't spend $250 on my 1998 V70 tumbler (it was subsequently totaled in an accident).
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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

Post by 1998v70xcbill » Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:49 pm

I hope i never have to deal with this. We must love are volvo's. I'll probably hot wire it from the connector, with extra switches. Always wanted a start push button on the dash. Ha



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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

Post by erikv11 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:05 pm

This is great info, this has happened to a lot of people. Thanks for the post.

EDIT: I just saw the other post from today with all of the background information and great images of where to make the cuts, didn't realize this great tip is already documented in other places, I will link the thread here:
http://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... =1&t=67376


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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

Post by dosbricks » Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:54 pm

Very nice DIY--nothing like success after physical hardship! Have a hot toddy and enjoy the fireplace.

This brings to mind a question. Is this a failure issue only on the S/V70s, or are the 850s subject to it also?

I asked because we had a mechanical failure of the S70 ignition switch in 2002--key would stick in the ignition and sometimes rotate 360 degrees. I had a friend in the parts department by then, and the charge was $70.05 for the special-ordered-to-match-the-existing-key-locks switch plus $63 to install it--so got off lightly for a change.

But the new switch has always required an unusual amount of force to insert the key and it is stiff to turn in comparison to the first switch. Also compared to the one in my wagon. At first I thought it would loosen up, but it never has, so it's still a mild nuisance to me when I drive the wife's car.

I'm just wondering if Volvo changed suppliers, and if any of you have had a similar experience with a replacement switch? Hope this is not too far off topic. :?


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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

Post by cn90 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:44 am

@dosbricks,

In the S/V70 series, Volvo always used VALEO as the supplier for the tumbler. When you look closely at the design, the pin that performs the SW Lock function is a flimsy piece of aluminum that broke easily, especially when one wiggles the SW in the morning to start the engine!
OK, I used a magnet to test and I know this tiny piece (see photo above for the culprit) is aluminum.
In contrast the rectangular plate is steel because it sticks to the magnet.

Now I am thinking about this (removing the rectangular plate) as a preventive maintenance if one does not want to get stuck in the middle of nowhere. Some people have to tow the car to the dealer. Some people are savvy enough to remove the electrical portion of the ignition switch and use screwdriver to start the engine. But if one does this mod upfront, one will never have to deal with this again (key stuck in position I), ever.


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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

Post by obayha » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:55 am

Same thing on my V70 06 about a year ago. Found a post and started cutting and banging around. The job got done and I have forgotten all about it until now.
Good write up and it was that easy, except I had warm weather and a shade tree. :lol:
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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

Post by mecheng » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:49 pm

Nice write up. Nothing like getting around some poor German Engineering

What about cutting open the area even with a good part so if it fails the jammed part does not get you stranded.


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Re: DIY: 1998 S70 GLT Ignition Tumbler FREE Fix!

Post by Herb Goltz » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:21 pm

I wouldn't recommend it on one that is still functioning-- the spring keeps the internal mechanism from interfering with things while it is still functional. I did this on my 2000 V70 some time ago. I used a drill-- the dremel would have made things easier.



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