ETM Scope Increased ?!?

ArthurA · Post by **ArthurA** » 09 Sep 2006, 08:22

I just had the ETM replaced on my 2002 S60 2.4T

When the dealer informed me that this would NOT be covered by warranty, I searched online and found the Warranty "Extension" program. I informed the dealer of it, as well as speaking to Volvo Canada directly, and they both told me the program applies to specific VIN numbers only. Furthermore, they said that it did not apply to the Turbo models, so therefore I would in fact have to pay for the repairs myself.

Considering my S60 only has 56,000 KM (35K MILES) and is out of warranty by 2 months I find this situation incredulous!

My symptoms were just as everyone described! Doesn't this clearly indicate that the scope of the problem is greater?

Does anyone have any suggestions or advice? Any way to get Volvo to recognize this and get a refund?

Please advise!! TIA
-Arthur

LarryP · Post by **LarryP** » 09 Sep 2006, 09:57

Arthur,
I suggest you look at the ETM and get the label info off it. It's directly under the center of the intake manifold and you may need to do this with a mirror on your car. Try to get the manufacturer, P/N and date code. Affected ETMs are made by Magneto Marelli, P/n is 7 digits under top bar code, and date code is similar to 99W28902..Directly under the P/n is a capacity code. Get all that and post it to see how similar your car is to the affected ones.

Unaffected later cars, including some 2002 models, have a redesigned Bosch unit which does not have the defective TPS in it.

Larry

I realize after rereading your note, it's already replaced, however, the two manufacturers are NOT interchangeable, therefore if you have a Bosch now, you had one before. Likewise with the M-M gem.

Bud · Post by **Bud** » 09 Sep 2006, 10:06

1) The Dealer and Volvo Canada are full of B.S. .... defective ETMs were DEFINITELY installed on Turbo motors .... DEFINITELY, NO DEBATE.

2) Not all 2002s have the Defective ETM, as LarryP stated, but certainly some do.

3) DonW's site www.VEXEDvolvo.org has info on all of this, check there.

4) They purposely made the warranty period short, so as to escape the liability when approximately 500,000 ETMs failed. Mine failed just after my warranty expired too.

ArthurA · Post by **ArthurA** » 16 Sep 2006, 08:24

Thanks for the speedy response! You were right, it was hard to get at it, however here is the info I was able to see:

BOSCH 0 280 750 131
PBTGF30
GERMANY
5 02:41
30711554
05W406

I realize this is not the Magneto Marelli you mentioned was known to be defective. However, given my car's low mileage, doesn't this indicate that Volvo didn't properly solve the problem with this replacement unit?

Is there any way my old unit was the Magneto Marelli?

Are there any steps I can take at this point?

Thanks again for the help.

-Arthur

Bud · Post by **Bud** » 16 Sep 2006, 19:57

Your post confused me?

Yes, the original factory part could have been a (defective designed) Magneti Marelli, and could have been replaced with the (better) Bosch ETM.

IF you paid money for the replacement, you are ENTITLED to the old part. DonW could do a forensic analysis of the failure and add you to the database.

I'm not sure what to suggest at this point.

LarryP · Post by **LarryP** » 17 Sep 2006, 09:41

Arthur,
Sorry, but there is no easy way to replace the MM unit with the Bosch. The design philosohy and the interface to the Engine Control Module would, at a mininum, require replacent of the ECM. You had a Bosch unit go bad. I know of no reports of design defects in that unit. It is a very different design. You just had some bad luck and, from what I see, the dealer is not taking advantage of you. Anyway, be glad they did not have to replace your old one with a MM because the defect is in the replacement too. Just that the wearout clock starts over again.
Larry

Post by **DonWillson** » 14 Dec 2006, 14:31

The Bosch has no 'smarts' in it, but there are 2 throttle bodies. One has a potentiometer and one has a Hall effect sensor. If I am right the pots can be replaced without replacing the whole throttle, and even if not the throttle should be much cheaper since it has no computer in it.

You should file a complaint with http://nhtsa.dot.gov. Someone with more time on their hands than good sense should start a campaign on these later throttles. You might follow the argument tha Alex in the UK used, That the cable throttle connection lasted the life of the car (pre 1999 but the electronic do not. The UK judge agreed that it is not suitable for the intended use. Se my earlier post in this forum.

Don Willson
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