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98 V70 T5 Major Oil Leak

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98 V70 T5 Major Oil Leak

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Looking for thoughts/experience on a major oil leak on my car. She's a 98 V70 T5, ~260k miles. Had her ~6 years, had ~195k when I got her. No major engine work that I know of in it's life and certainly since I've had her. Had a blown trans when I got it, which was replaced with a good used unit. I replaced the rear main seal at the time. I've a major tune up since I've had it to include IIRC front and rear cam seals.

Since I've had it I've never seen any oil on the ground or evidence of oil leakage beyond the typical slight oil weepage you get with age and some oil on/in the turbo hoses but nothing abnormal. She would use a small amount of oil, estimated 1 qt every 1-2k miles. Given the mileage I expect it's mainly being burnt, probably due to loose valve guides. Overhauling the top end has been on my to do list for a while but hasn't happened yet.

The car hasn't been driven much over the past few months but starting about 2 weeks ago I started driving it again. Yesterday it occurred to me to check the oil since I wasn't sure when it had been and I found it was about 2 1/2 qts low.... figured it was just from not checking it in a long while and kicked myself.

Yesterday I took the car to visit friends in LA, about 100 miles one way. Got up there fine and then this morning checked the oil again since it was on a slope when I checked before and to my surprise it was off the dipstick. Wound up taking ~5 qts which was a shock.... found a nice little pool under the rear of the motor too. Lost about another 5 qts getting it home. :shock:

So I have a sudden emergent 5 qt/100 mile oil leak - not good. I'm seeing oil primarily under the rear aft side of the engine and evidence of significant oil blowing back under the car. (including a nice layer on the rear window....) No puddling under the front of the engine or forward (car wise) side.

Looking under it, I see oil all over from the oil pan back, but much of it appears to be wind blown. The upper section of the block is dry, and the rear side (under distributor & cam sensor) also appears dry. No oil on the flywheel from what I can tell. The bottom of the turbo was oily, but it was no clear if it was leakage or blown oil, and there's always been a small amount of leakage. Of note, the turbo oil supply fitting was clean and looked good.

I wiped it down and ran the car (while engine was still warm) for about 10 minutes at idle but didn't see any sign of leakage. However, after driving ~5 miles in town the oil was back all over everything.

Anyone had something similar? I worked as a volvo mechanic for some years and don't recall seeing anything like this other than immediately following a bad seal job, and in that case the leak was seen at idle as well.

My best guess at this point is it's coming from the turbo due to location and the behavior. (oil leak happens when turbo spins up for some reason) However it doesn't really make sense since I'm not seeing any exhaust smoke or anything to make me think it's blowing large amounts of oil into the intake, which I'd expect from a blown turbo seal.

This type of sudden severe leak is was I'd expect to see from a hose leak, or a pressurized seal blowing out, but not seeing it leak at idle baffles me, as does the location. The turbo oil supply and drain line both showed no sign of leakage.

Thoughts? I've still got a lot of stuff to check, just curious what other folks thought....

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Post by jblackburn »

Sounds like what happens when a cam seal blows out, though my oil leaked out at a rate that probably wouldn't have made it 100 miles.

There's an oil line to the top of the head near the turbocharger area - is there any leaking around that area?
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Interesting. Never seen a seal "blow out" like this - what I've seen is a progressive leak unless there's something else causing problems, or immediately after replacing a seal. Would certainly be nice if that's all it is, though the back of the head looked dry when I checked it. Didn't take all the brackets and such off to really check though, going to do that tom.

Which oil line are you talking about? The PCV line from the top of the head down the front? Or is there something I'm forgetting?

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There's an oil line that comes up right near the "channel" in the head where oil will leak off when it pools up in that area.

But re-reading that, I'm seeing "from the oil pan blown backwards", so ignore that.

When the engine's cool, reach your arm down in there towards the oil trap box. You're looking for the small hose off the side that does a 90 degree bend into the oil pan. See if that one is soaked with oil. This would explain both the rate of leaking (enough to make it 100 miles without an oil slick behind you and a locked-up engine) and why it's only leaking *in boost*. I have seen that hose blow up before, or get pushed off the clamp at the oil pan connection.
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Post by rspi »

When I blew 2 cams seals on our S70 GLT I lost 2-1/2 quarts of oil in 2 miles.

Check the plates in the back of the motor. I had a hard time finding that leak. It only leaked under pressure and cost about $7 for the seal kit.

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Robert,
What is your photo showing? Where on the block is this plate and gasket?
Thanks.

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There are 3 plates on the back of the block. That is a view of 1 of them as I laid on the ground looking up between the engine & firewall. I couldn't find a better picture but will keep looking.
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Post by jaluhn »

Well, bad news.... looks like it's the rear main. Tried proping the throttle open for about 3k rpm and looked under there and I can see oil getting flung off the ring gear and pouring out.

Given how quick it showed up I'm guessing the spring on the seal broke - only thing I can think of that would cause this severe of a leak to suddenly show up. Quite irritating since that seal isn't more than ~6 years old and it was a good quality seal. (elring IIRC)

So guess the car's going to get parked for a few months till I can get setup and able to drop the subframe out.... out joy! :x :(

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Ouch! What condition do you think the PCV system is in? When was it last changed?
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