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Have a muffler shop cut out the cat. converter?

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Re: Have a muffler shop cut out the cat. converter?

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misha wrote:
Have you EVER removed a cat from the car and drove the car without it only with welded straight pipe instead of the cat?I'm not talking about a results on paper...i'm talking from my experience and experience from lots of people.

The only side effect is that engine is louder than with a cat.It will not run richer than with it.You just have that feeling and richer smell because the cat isn't there anymore to clean those exhaust fumes.

yes- I have been working on performance modifications and emissions equipment for 30 years. I weld in cat converters and have access to a dyno. There is more of an effect than noise levels on cars using 2 sensors ( 1 in or post cat) to monitor and adjust a/f ratios. Because the chemical makeup of the exhaust gas alters in the catalyst the second sensor does get a different reading. A horse power gain can be had if the cat was restrictive, but by the mid 1980's performance cats far out-flowed most mufflers. So with a performance cat not only will you have the same flow as no cat but a more accurate air fuel mixture and more powerful engine output especially at low and high rpms.

I don't spend the $100 on a magnaflow cat because I want to get rid of profits. I do it because it makes more power, allows the safeguards on the a/f ratio to remain in effect, gets better mpg, passes emissions and retains the value of the car.
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Post by QuirkySwede »

misha wrote:Have you EVER removed a cat from the car and drove the car without it only with welded straight pipe instead of the cat?I'm not talking about a results on paper...i'm talking from my experience and experience from lots of people.
Not just cat, but also cat and muffler (clamped, no welding because it went back). Did it change things? Yes. Improve? No. Also covered up half the air filter (no effect, so much for K&N claims). Pressure waves, scavenging, ... Just some things we played and ruled out with while at the dyno years ago.

As far as the "experience" of "lots of people," how do you tell if one guy's "experience" was better or worse without the "results on paper"?

My car is fast!
Really? How fast?
FAST!
Will my car is faster?
Really? By how much?
Didn't you hear me? I said fast-ER!
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It's just easier for all when numbers are used from a measured test that someone else can duplicate, otherwise you get into competing perceptions, and that's about as hard to settle as whether two people perceive one rock band to be as good or better than another band.

Back to the OP, leave the cat in. If it's bad, replace it. Keep the old and sell it to a scrap yard to recoup some of the cost.

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Post by precopster »

IPD sell modified chips alone and chips with exhaust modification.

As do ARD, Evolve and a host of other tuner companies.

For me drivability is far more important than peak power or peak torque. When I put my foot down at any given rev range on a Volvo I expect it to hop to attention. Even my non turbo 2000 V70 has great USABLE power at all rev ranges.

Mostly I'm more than happy with what I have. Generally I believe that cars can go WAY too fast WAY too quickly these days and in the hands of an inexperienced, stale or younger driver this is a formula for disaster.

Instead of engineers wracking their brains on extracting more power from cars and creating greater expectations from customers, why don't they concentrate on creating powerplants which are so miserly on fuel that they surpass designs from 30 years ago by more than 300%, instead of chasing POWER that is greater by 300% than those from 30 years ago?

Anyhow that's my rant for the day !!
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Post by BEJinFbk »

misha wrote: There are some rumours that cars with two o2 sensors will not run properly with cat removed.Also there are rumours that they run normally except check engine light is ON all the time.Maybe somebody who have experience with this can verify those rumours.
Take another look at Jimmy 57's post above.
No rumor - This guy knows what he's talking about.
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Post by oragex »

Please don't remove a catalytic converter. It smells awfully when we follow a car that had the cat removed.
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Post by osman »

I was just about to say the above, plus even though emissions requirements vary county to county, it is a FEDERAL CRIME to alter/interfere with any emission system on a vehicle that it is not an off-road vehicle.
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