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1997 850 N/A - Engine noise - Camshaft squeal?

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helohero
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1997 850 N/A - Engine noise - Camshaft squeal?

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Before I begin describing my issue, I will give you some background info on the car. It was purchased about a year and a half ago. When purchased it had a broken odometer reading ~205k. So I'm not sure of the actual mileage. This vehicle was purchased for use by our 18 y/o as a first car for him. He doesn't drive it gingerly even though he's been advised to. The car is nearly 20 years old, but most people with kids will tell you, teenagers already know everything.

About 5 months ago, the heater core began leaking badly and ended up causing the head gasket to fail. I followed the write up, replaced the head gasket, took the heater core out of the loop and all had been well. Then about a three weeks ago the lower radiator hose (which I should have replaced when I did the head gasket) failed and the symptoms of a failed head gasket came back. Replaced it again, replaced the radiator hose, and it had been running fine for about a week and a half. Then it began to make a nasty squeaking sound. It sounded like the noise was coming from the back (aft) side of the engine. I could not determine what the noise was, and it was very intermittent (like it would idle for minutes and I would only hear it once). Then while he was driving it, he made a U turn and the car died. He pushed it out of the intersection and called me. It would start and run, making sounds from the back of the engine and then die. It wouldn't run for more than 10-15 seconds. So, I towed it home since this seemed like something I wasn't going to be able to fix quickly. After getting it back home, it seems very difficult to turn over. I would crank it and it would only crank slowly and then eventually stop turning over completely. The best way to describe the cranking is similar to having a dead battery. I took the battery to the local auto parts store and they tested the battery saying it was good. I went ahead and purchased another battery and it was still hard to turn over. I have been busy for the last week and haven't had any time to look into the problem. So the car has been sitting. Today I went back out to it and checked a few things. This is what I have checked:

1. I tested the camshaft sensor IAW this post (https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... =1&t=31301) and it tested good.

2. Next I took off the timing belt cover and cranked the engine to check the timing marks. They are still lined up on the two camshaft pulleys. I was unable to see the crankshaft mark (to be honest, I couldn't find the crankshaft mark when I took the timing belt off before, I used the access hole that you put an extension inside to lock the crankshaft, then once the upper head was removed, I could see that the engine was definitely at TDC.)

3. Then I removed the spark plugs and tried cranking the engine again. It was still hard to turn over with them removed.

4. I put the spark plugs back in and tried loosening 40 bolts that hold the camshaft cover on. Just loosened them a 1/4 turn each. I didn't pry up on the cover at all. This time it cranked over easier and started. However, it was making a HORRENDOUS noise. I have posted a video at youtube, it'll only waste a few seconds of your life:



I didn't use a torque wrench on the camshaft cover :oops: , so it's possible the cover bolts were over-torqued, could that have caused the engine to die while running?

I have now torqued the bolts to 12 ft-lbs, it starts and runs, but its still that squeal / metal on metal noise. So I am considering my next course of action. My next thought is to take the timing belt off again, take the crankshaft cover off and check the camshaft and journals etc. Any other ideas?
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Post by Ozark Lee »

It doesn't sound good for sure. Just for grins, try to take the serpentine belt off and see if the noise goes away. The only time I've had a noise that horrendous is when the AC compressor ate a bearing.

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Post by helohero »

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll report back after I get the serp belt off and see if the noise is still there.

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Post by helohero »

I went out of town for Mother's Day, and didnt have a chance to work on it until this evening.

I took the serpentine belt off, and the noise is still there. It definitely sounds internal, not a timing belt pulley.

I also took the timing belt and upper cover off to look at the camshafts. Everything looks fine, the camshaft followers were all able to be removed, i thought maybe one of them might have been sticking.

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Post by helohero »

Better video now.



Nasty tapping noise. Now metal on metal sound only when changing RPM.

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Post by abscate »

Ouch. That's nasty, it sounds like bottom end to me but I don't know these engines as well as others here

If it is in the top of the engine, it's definitely coming off
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Rod bearing?

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Post by erikv11 »

Is this accurate where you said "then once the upper head was removed, I could see that the engine was definitely at TDC" up above?

That would not be so good because the #1 piston should not be at TDC when the cams are on their marks, it should be a few teeth before it.

I'm wondering if an issue is piston slap (maybe bent valves now?) due to improper timing. Don't think I would be brave enough to run it with the cover loose like that!
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Post by Ozark Lee »

helohero wrote:Rod bearing?
Sure sounds like it. If you get a socket wrench on the harmonic balancer nut and then rock the engine back and forth by hand you can often feel it. If it is in the bottom of the engine then a used engine is the only real alternative if you want to keep the car.

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Post by helohero »

I didn't take pictures of my head gasket replacement. I used this Head Gasket Guide. And when I had the head gasket off, I verified that my pistons were in the same place as these.

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