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98 v70 non turbo burning and or leaking oil

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Re: 98 v70 non turbo burning and or leaking oil

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rspi wrote:Here is an observation that I have... I can top off the oil in my car in Cincinnati OH, drive 1,600 miles home and loose zero oil. Then drive around town here over a 45 day span, 1,200 miles and loose an entire quart of oil. So, these short cold start trips is causing my car to loose oil much faster than a constant long drive.

I noticed this too.
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'78 244 DL
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Does it seem odd for a car with only 125,000 miles to be having valve stem problems? I guess the age of the car is more the stems just getting old or not properly maintained in it's earlier life. Mine ran for a long time with what I think were bad seals and it burnt the valves to a point of no compression. Last I looked the tool to do an in car stem replacement was around $150.00, and you should be able to sell for about the same price when finished, perhaps. It would be tedious for a first timer to do, as to why I never got around to it. See what a compression check shows you, wet and dry, maybe the rings are part of the problem.
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Valve stem seals are made of rubber and they become brittle with age.
They are more age than milage related.
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'73 144 De Luxe
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rspi wrote:
98v70dad wrote:The last few oil changes I've noticed the oil level is always about 1.5 to 1.75 quarts low.
I really don't mean to be rude but why do you let the oil level get more than a quart low between changes? Oil level should be checked weekly or at the least monthly. They sell oil by the quart so you don't have to wait till the oil change time to add some??? Especially if you think or know that the vehicle is loosing oil between changes???

Also, it is a good idea to check the level before you do the change, prior to draining the oil.

I usually use 10w-40, it has cut down on oil blowing by the valve stem seals. Other than destroying the cat, I don't see the need to tear the motor down to replace the valve stem seals.

As for the car smoking at start up, a puff at start should be the extent of it. If it is smoking oil longer than 3 seconds at start there is some other issue.

I promise you, it's a lot cheaper and less stressful to check and top off the oil monthly (or bi-weekly) than deal with replacing a car or dealing with a major repair decision. I have been milking a steering rack leak since I purchased my car 4 years ago. I add about 8 ozs of fluid to the system every 2 weeks. Has not gotten worse in 4 years but I keep it topped off.
There's more to the story than you know. My daughter has been the driver of this car for 6 years. During that time I only saw it for a short time when she was home from school. I checked the level as often as I could and she did not put much mileage on the car (like 3500 miles each year). She lived two blocks from her school and the the town is so small she could get anywhere in less than 5 miles. Now she is a commuter student and she drives a round trip of about 110 miles every day. The volvo is a little too old to let her drive it that far every day so we swapped cars. I now drive the volvo 75 miles each day. So the consumption rate per mile may not have changed but daily mileage has increased dramatically. I just didn't expect the drop because in the past when I checked it it was always a little low but not too bad.

The oil has been as low as I reported the last two times. The first of those two times was about 3 months ago. I had the rear exhaust cam seal leaking quite a bit. That was also before I rebuilt the pcv system. I figured those two items took care of the issue. Then a few months later I started driving the car many many more miles each day. Anyhow thats how it went by undetected. You're right, I should have been checking it but I had become accustomed to a slow but steady level drop that you would expect with an older car.

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I have decided to top the oil up to the full line and keep a log of consumption for about a month or two and see what I can learn.

I have thought about the smoke on start up and may change my view on that. The smoke is probably condensation due to the cold temps and humidity. It is white not blue gray and it completely disappears when the car warms up. There is none at all if the temperature is fairly warm ..like this morning 52 degrees F. I have been too many years away from the cold northland.

Now I'm thinking more along the lines of undiscovered leak. That said there are no drips on the driveway.

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I would say that Volvo would be the best solution for your daughter since she makes that longer trips.

It would make her's every trip more safely than every other car and it would keep her safely more than every other brand of car.
About it's age...T-5R from '95 in U.S is worth more than 7000$$$ ...yes...more than 7k$.It's 20years old car.I guess ''old" doesn't affect our Volvos that much.It's all in how well they are maintained.If properly maintained and cared,they can last forever.
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History of Volvos in the family:
'71 144 S
'73 144 De Luxe
'78 244 DL
'78 244 DL
'79 244 GLE
'85 340 GLS

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misha wrote:I would say that Volvo would be the best solution for your daughter since she makes that longer trips.

It would make her's every trip more safely than every other car and it would keep her safely more than every other brand of car.
About it's age...T-5R from '95 in U.S is worth more than 7000$$$ ...yes...more than 7k$.It's 20years old car.I guess ''old" doesn't affect our Volvos that much.It's all in how well they are maintained.If properly maintained and cared,they can last forever.
That's true. Properly maintained is the key. I bought this car used with about 94000 miles on it 6 years ago. It now has 124000 miles. The previous owners didn't beat it to death but they were not proactive in maintaining the car. They fixed some of the problems when they came up but many problems were not taken care of. I bought the car for about $4000 less than it was worth due to all of the broken items that required repair. I paid so little for it I am well satisfied, but normally I would have passed on a car in the condition it was in.

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124k miles is nothing for these engines if they,at least,had regular oil changes.
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'73 144 De Luxe
'78 244 DL
'78 244 DL
'79 244 GLE
'85 340 GLS

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Didn't someone mention a valve stem seal test to you once before? They didn't want to post it on the site, but said "call me"? I can't remember the post, but think that would be a good call. If my 98 hadn't of had as many miles on it, it would of been good to do the seals and get a few more miles out of it.
At 163,00 miles on my new to me '99 V70, I would do a valve stem replacement, maybe even as a preventive maintenance, as stated earlier, rubber just gets old.
Watch it for a while. All oil will collect somewhere and find it's way to the driveway.
Shane
1998 V70 T5 331,000 :( Her last day was on 3 cylinders.
New to me 1999 V70 NA 163,000 Now at 217,000
2006 V70 2.5T in driveway (WIFE'S)
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obayha wrote:Didn't someone mention a valve stem seal test to you once before? They didn't want to post it on the site, but said "call me"? I can't remember the post, but think that would be a good call. If my 98 hadn't of had as many miles on it, it would of been good to do the seals and get a few more miles out of it.
At 163,00 miles on my new to me '99 V70, I would do a valve stem replacement, maybe even as a preventive maintenance, as stated earlier, rubber just gets old.
Watch it for a while. All oil will collect somewhere and find it's way to the driveway.
Shane
No I don't remember that post. Maybe I missed it or maybe it was someone else. I'm planning a thorough inspection this weekend with a flashlight a mirror and several hours to search. I've done this before on a 96 Camry. If the oil is leaking I'll eventually figure it out. The more I've investigated this the more I think it's a leak. One of the symptoms is the smell of oil when running the fan with fresh air. Another is the smell of hot oil in the engine bay. The odd thing is that so far I haven't found the source, but I will admit that I haven't looked that hard.

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