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1998 v70 Battery Disconnect Problems ?

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Re: 1998 v70 Battery Disconnect Problems ?

Post by MrAl »

Hi,

Oh wow, that's good to know.
One thing i dont like about this car is that there are a lot of little tricks to learn. Maybe it just seems that way because it's so new to me or is that just typical for Volvos ?
I’ve been driving a Volvo long before anyone ever paid me to drive one.
That's probably because I've been driving one since 2015 and nobody has offered to pay me yet.
1998 v70, non turbo, FWD, base model, on the road from April 2nd, 2015 to July 26, 2023.

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Post by misha »

All of "computerised" cars have some rules that must be followed.They are usually the same things.
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Hi,

Thanks, i'll try to keep that in mind as i try to progress with this car. I was really put off by how difficult the computer is to deal with some times. It's like somebody who didnt understand auto mechanics designed it. Like we want to wait 100 miles to find out if a fix worked well enough to pass the computer's own test. It's just bad engineering if you ask me, for any car.
The "auto tune" feature (or whatever it is called) is probably a good idea, but it should not stop diagnostic systems from being able to test the car's emissions and stuff like that.
I can see already that it is counter productive, probably hurting more than it helps because anyone with a check engine light on is probably going to wait until inspection time to get it looked at, during which time they could have spewed out three times the amount of pollutants any single car should put out.

You know what else always bugged me about emissions...
The emission problem is basically measured in weight (or perhaps volume) of material ejected. A car is not allowed to eject more than a certain amount, otherwise the system is not running as designed. But the funny thing here is, since that amount is a constant (more or less) over time it is a rate, like for example, 100 particles per second, which would be say the limit for any one car. That adds up to a certain number of tons of material over say one year. Let's make this discussion simpler though, and say it is specified in particles per day. Lets say just for example, each car is allowed up to 1000000 particles per day, and that might be based on 12 hours. So over one year, the car can put out 365 million particles. But what about someone who only drives 6 hours per day, they only put out half of that over one year. Then what about the person who drives only 1 hour per day, they only put out one-twelfth of the 365 million. But then we also have the person who drives one per week, for 1 hour. They only put out one eighty fourth of that 365 million.
So it's really a matter of time, or to make it simpler yet, miles. If the car drives 100 miles in one week near the max particle ejection rate they put out a LOT more pollutants than the car that is driven 10 miles per week, actually around 10 times less.

So in other words, the car that is only driven 10 miles per week can put out 9 times as much pollution as the car driven 100 miles per week and STILL not eject a total particle mass that is as high as the 100 miles car.
So the pollution control standards should take into account the miles driven, or something similar, so they can adjust the test for every car. That would be more fair i think.
Yeah it would be harder to track, they'd have to look at the odometer and judge your driving based on the previous year or two. But that seems more fair.
I’ve been driving a Volvo long before anyone ever paid me to drive one.
That's probably because I've been driving one since 2015 and nobody has offered to pay me yet.
1998 v70, non turbo, FWD, base model, on the road from April 2nd, 2015 to July 26, 2023.

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Post by kranz »

MrAl wrote: But that seems more fair.
A well known political pundit described the word "fair" as a four letter word beginning with the letter "F" and would not allow his children to use it.
Les is more.

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Post by abscate »

Fuel taxes are the equalizer for driving habits, but these discussions can get charged ( to return it to the battery topic)
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Post by MrAl »

Hi,

Yeah sorry i got off on a tangent there, but it's hard not to when the fed gov seems to take advantage of our non ability to fight any stupid law.

And yeah, i wonder if the word 'fair' is even in their dictionary :-)

But at least i know now NOT to put the key in position 2 (or 1 for that matter) if and when i have to disconnect the battery or change it or whatever.

But what about the door locks? I thought i saw something about that too, where the door locks didnt work, or maybe that was the remote door lock transmitter/receiver? I really have to use that sometimes because this car only has one actual door lock: on the driver's door only. If i cant open the door from the passenger side i'd have to come all the way around the car just to open the passenger side door. Like they couldnt have added one more physical door lock on the passenger side door.
I’ve been driving a Volvo long before anyone ever paid me to drive one.
That's probably because I've been driving one since 2015 and nobody has offered to pay me yet.
1998 v70, non turbo, FWD, base model, on the road from April 2nd, 2015 to July 26, 2023.

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