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AW55 B4 band capture success

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AW55 B4 band capture success

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I wanted to share the story of the success I had with a B4 band recapture on on 02 V70XC I just picked up. This forum provided a great amount of information and made it fairly straightforward, although it was definitely an awkward repair.

So I spotted a 2002 V70XC for sale, described as having transmission problems. I knew somewhat of the B4 band problem and figured it was either a smoked band or someone had removed the bolt on top of the transmission. I checked the car out and it shifted pretty well, except for the complete lack of 3rd gear. I decided to pull the trigger since it was a great deal, and once I got the car home I found marks indicating someone had tampered with the bolt on top of the transmission. This definitely bolstered my courage a bit.

So I made a tool to check the play of the band through the B4 servo bore, as described by another member (precopster) on the forum. The tool is simply a 1/4" piece of brass marked at 85mm. This tool can be inserted into the bore of the piston, allowing you to check the status of the band. My band offered no resistance, further confirming the removal of the band capture bolt.

I had a friend over helping me, but we didn't have much luck trying to secure the band so we could install the bolt. We decided to call it a night, but I couldn't rest knowing how close we were. I spent a few minutes looking at a picture of the band and conceptualizing how the band sat in the housing. I devised a hook to try and come all the way up through the piston bore, to grab the edge of the band former where the hole resides. It took a lot of awkward fumbling, but I was able to grab the band with the hook while simultaneously installing the bolt. This solved the problem problem of the disengaged band. I won't go into details on the snap ring installation, but it was a real pain in the ass for me. It wasn't installed right the first time and shot the B4 cover off on my first test drive :oops: luckily the piston stayed in place and not very much fluid was lost. I was able to wedge a screwdriver against the piston cover and the control arm, which set the cover as far back as it needs to go (a lot farther than you might think, it's a real pain.) Once that was in place it was just a few awkward attempts with the quality snap ring pliers I had and we were in business.

The other threads I read indicated about 6mm of play was standard for a good band, and closer to 20mm was completely worn. My band shows about 12mm of play, and there is a slight flare in the 2-3 shift from this. The fluid is very nasty, and I'm hoping a flush and fill along with a transmission reset will take care of it. It's hardly noticeable and the car is definitely drivable. The only other problem I have is a whine during sharp turns, I think the rear differential has been leaking for a bit. I'm really excited to be back in the Volvo club, my last one was an 01 V70 that finally blew a headgasket after 270k miles. It would have gone longer if I had taken care of the radiator and not let it overheat :(.

I've attached photos of my tools and a diagram of the area in question to clear things up a little. I could probably do this job in about 2 hours if I were to do it over, as it was it took me closer to 6, most of which was trying to get the snap ring back in. I hope this information is useful for anyone looking at this problem!


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The picture from precopster I used for reference. My thought was to grab the edge of the band near the end of the stamped former piece that the anchor rides on. This requires sticking the hook tool pretty far into the piston bore. It's a tricky endeavour, but once you get it in the right spot with the right tension, you can use your right hand to hook and pull the band into place and then insert the bolt with your left, leaning down near the front of the car on one knee. I had a screwdriver in the anchor bolt hole to help nudge the hole in the band towards the center, and then pulling on the hook kept it there. You can insert the tool into the bore, and you should run right into the anchor. You've got to turn the tool and clear that to the the side, then push the tool another 2" or so into the bore. Once you're in the right spot, rotate the tool so the hook is facing down, and pull. It requires a little bit of windage on the tool to get the hook to grab but you will definitely feel it grab a hard edge.



The tools I used. If anyone wants them I would be happy to send as I don't need them anymore.
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A sketch of the section in question.
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Post by precopster »

Hey jimmydean012 great info, well written up and an aptly titled thread too!! Great to see that my info finally helped somebody.

I'm surprised that you were able to grab it and retract it enough to position the bolt through that narrow opening. This seems less work than drilling a hole through the bolt which I've seen on other posts.

Oh and that photo you used is slightly inaccurate now as we have mint and herbs growing there now :D
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Excellent post! The sketch really helped me understand it. Thanks!
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Post by kookieman »

So, I dont own a Volvo. BUT, I have this same transmission in my Saturn Vue. I bought it with a blown up crank, it came with another engine that the valves were bent on. So I put them together, and it runs great. But when I got it, it didnt have transmission fluid in it. So I was told I should fill it through the bolt on top of the transmission instead of the impossible to get to dipstick tube. What a mistake...

This information helps me out a ton. Thank you for posting this, I couldn't find any information on why I lost 3rd gear for the life of me.
The info I did find said that I would need to rebuild the transmission.

I'm going to try this method. I'll come back with the results.

Thank you sooo much for this info!

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Post by kookieman »

THIS SAVED MY LIFE.
So after being under the car for about 2 hours with ice and water falling on me, (I just love winter here in Michigan)
I was able to capture the band.

I HAVE 3RD GEAR!

Thank You so much.

Like I said before, I dont own a Volvo, but this saved my Saturn. My wife and I are grateful for that!

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Post by precopster »

Great news from abroad Alan!!
So the procedure is something like this??:

1) Remove band bolt totally
2) Remove B4 servo cover
3) Remove B4 piston
4) Insert wire, grab band and pull backward while 2nd person shines torch in through band bolt hole to confirm it is aligned then 2nd person inserts and tightens band bolt?

Then reverse through 4, 3, and 2 for re-assembly? Then wipe sleet and snow from your face?

Or were you able to do it alone?
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Is there a part number associated with this for search purposes?
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Post by precopster »

Any coat hanger/piece of wire fashioned into the correct shape and length does the job. There is no part number.

If you don't have any these will do: https://www.sears.com/generic-amber-hom ... ckType=G29
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