98 S70 - Keyfob Programing, po133 lambda, Door Check Dizaster. Topic is solved

[nico416]

Hi guys, This is my first post, Im new to these forums!

Let me start to say I abolutely love volvo, Ever since being a kid my dads had a 240, then an 850, now hes got a t5.
I had an 850 of my own, cost me around 3k cad, which i loved that car more then my first ford focus 01, and a 03 montana, unfortunately that car was rip'd got into a head on, a 97 glt. miss that white platinum edition car. (i did pull my winters and alloy rims off that 850 in the lot it got towed to.)
Then i drove an 850, which got up to 570000km. Still alive, needs ac, and also has po133, needs brakes and afew other things, so i decided to throw money into a new s70. I think that was a mistake 1100$ purchase price, But i spent almost 2000$ extra at this poinst. That was most of it i like to think brakes (volvo original all around) a caliper, new spring seats & control arms, the fixed abs module from midwest, a headlight and afew caps ect.

Now comes to my questions, and issues with the car. Ive done some searches here on the forums ive seen the door check come up alot, and im not sure with th is pic ive supplied if anyone can steer me into the right place, or am i screwed... keyremote wise ive tried the 1-2 5 times and cant get the programming light so im guessing thats a dealer trip.

I had driven this for a month, been fine, cleaned up the distributor cap and after got po133 (slow circuite response o2. doesnt tell me which one), i swapped rear o2 sensor with a recycled one. should i be buying both new ones, The guy did just swap this a year ago. I can get both sensors for 300$cad from GP.



I have a door check dizaster like the title claims, I bought this car for what i thought was a good price, learned the hardway that labor will eat you up easily since this car needed so much... (brakes, control arms, abs module, ect.)

Another slight gripe, my sunroof wont close, it will open both ways, but when it closes, it seems like the glass doesnt go completely down. not sure if this is a easy fix, i had it checked and they said to get new glass? not sure .

Anywho I did run a search before posting this long thread not sure anyone will read this but, because i feel like my problem is alittle far gone then replacing the door check. Ive been told I need a body shop. Any one in the GTA know where i can fix this for a reasonable amount. or where to go to start looking. I show people this and they just shake their head and refer me to people that also dont have a helpful solution with a cost to it. The car runs mechanically amazing. minus the po133 im dealing with and hopefully fix up.

Thanks in advance.

[erikv11]

Hi and welcome! Yep, these cars are great but if you have to pay for every little fix they will quickly eat alive your wallet.

The P0133 could easily be just a vacuum leak. E.g. https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... hp?t=18466. The trouble is finding it. I would get some vacuum hose from the auto parts store and relate as many vacuum lines as you can, the rubber is almost 20 years old. The hard lines with elbows, you can just replace with a single long piece of vacuum hose.

The key fob on a 98 can not be reprogrammed at home, it requires a trip to the dealer.

The broken weld at the door check is common, it can usually be fixed either by welding or by drilling some hoes and screwing in a plate. Check out this thread: https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums ... hp?t=37826. You can also find videos about it on the internet, etc. Maybe show one of those to your welder. You need to take it to a body shop or to someone who can weld, most regular car shops might not be set up to fix it.

[nico416]

Thanks alot Erikv11. I really do love the volvos, I know once you get them into a sweet spot they last a very long time, My problem is i just bought one pretty blind, 228km drove nice. didnt care much else, But the person who had this car was very rough on it. it was even missing the trunk door latch button, i had sourced from another car. Thank god for the kijiji ads of me finding the parts off others, I got a bosch fuel filter off a guy free made a noticable difference to the one that was on there.

Im going to hit these things one by one, checking for the vac/exhaust leak today.

I had my expansion tank leaking abit, so ive got one i saved from my 850 to swap.

The door, Im hoping to find a bodyshop who can fix, asked afew people with collision centers and they were quoting upwards of 200 just off what i explained and the picture..

Another weird qwirk I noticed, Climate control seems to be stuck on front vents only. no feet or defrost.? Im hoping thats not a nightmare to fix dampeners or whatever. I do get the blinking lights by AC. but my AC does work. strange no?

Not so much a problem as it onlyh appens on first start of the day, but when i start car, itll rev fine and drop below 1000 and correct itself, any time restarting the car, aka once its warmed up, i dont see it do that, is it normal? I should maybe record it on my phone today and post the video so people can hear / see what it does.

Tool wise, is my elm327 usb with scanmaster the best combo? Or is there a better tool to use.? Im not trying to spend 1000 on a volvo tool or anything crazy. Im able to reset my lights on my volvo with my setup and the scanmaster does give me some decent infos about the car.

Thanks again, Really love the community here.

[nico416]

At what point is the car considered a rabbit hole to hell?

Im considering just reselling it now before going too far into it, Had an original water pump on there, so id probably want to replace that and the timing belt if i was to keep it..

I think the no defrost is one of those hard to get at motors. 7 hours labor ect. i did have it checked out but its most likely one of those motors.

[nico416]

Hey guys this is an update to anyone dealing with the po133 themselves.
A rabbit hole to hell is sometimes just frustrations from going too deep the wrong direction. I changed literally, the o2 sensor, the j hose the evap host, i changed fuel filter i changed vaccuum hoses, still had this damn code, finally i said ok im going to the dealer to fix this.

-The dealer had new codes it cost me 170$cad to get my keys programmed and get these codes diagnosed. very high price, but still within reason considering you cant fix this or find the actual issue pas po133, it had 2 codes that came up with the volvo tool.
-Manifold had leak at the flex pipe. Manifold is discontinued, I did see it online but even at FCP very expensive. then gaskets ect ect So i went this other cheaper router, Found a guy who cut the manifold at the flex pipe, put a new one on, po133 is gone. Over 1k km no lights. i pray this stays for awhile haha

~Those damper motors for climate control ended up being a badly diagnosed climate control unit, since i pulled one from a volvo for free i put that in, and it worked. everything ac my defrost my heat at feet all fixed, Definitely try this, as the ones i tried were probably bad. Also no blinking lights like i had constantly when i was driving before. That was probably the biggest thing i didnt like until ifixed because no heat in the bad winter weeks are the worst. Now im all set there.

**The original waterpump still there when i had timing belt checked so im going to do the entire timing belt kit in the spring. pulleys and all.

New things i need to ask or things i need to deal with next..
~Heater core
-I do notice the odd drop of antifreeze at the heater core (specifically at the 2 hoses that go into the heatercore.
-I can post a pic if that helps. very little antifreeze
-I can order that swedish auto parts heater core and probably do the job myself using roberts video.

~Sunroof
-My sunroof opens at the front automatically, not only does this make noise from the air, but it leaks i had it adjusted but the guy told me get new glass, Someone told me i could get it from any 850 so it it true i can i pull the sunroof from any 850 93-97? if so can i pull the mounting hardware and basically do this over and hopefully remedy the solution.
Yet again i could post a pic its about half an inch up at the front of the car i can get it back down.
*Must say, the 850 i had head on accident with had a great sunroof if only i could find that one. also do like the cars without sunroofs as this is shitty maintenance.

~The door still an issue, people look at it feel behind and dont want to touch it fearing theres rust there. if anyone knows a spot i can go get that remedied for around 50-100$ in toronto id be happy. not a big deal i guess because it is the door stop. but still shitty.

Stage 0 stuff?
~Cap and Rotor were cleaned, i noticed the plug wires are from 97, is that a big deal to change like will i notice anything changing them, i bought original plugs to change, and was going to maybe buy the other 3 parts cap rotor plug wires to do that complete.
~Rad Hoses, Am i crazy to want to redo all the hoses, There is 4 right like these are the main 4 that if they fail the car will overheat?
~Fuel injectors / pump. I dont need one yet, but i havent changed it. I did run alittle fuel injector cleaner.

Another thing i do notice this volvo still doesnt drink or leak oil. Im used to both my old 850s drinking and or leaking enough oil i had to put in 1L inbetween changes. This s70 i dont have to add anything, i check all the time because i figure its gotta drink or leak but maybe its just in good shape in that regard.

In every other regard this was probably a parts car nobody would of touched, I changed so much stuff on this car so far but it does really drive nice. I now have 3 sets of rims. (summer p6000 pirellis i paid 50$ for with 850 rims.) (winter tires on those same 850 rims) and i have a 3rd set of rims i need to find the name of with just set a michellin mvx4's i paid 80$ for i may use the michellins this year since i have the pirellis on the wagon thats sitting parked.

Thanks again this is a great source of knowledge and i really love driving yet another volvo.

[scot850]

Welcome to the fraternal members of the 'must fix Volvo at all cost' Society! I have a boat anchor in the a garage just now. Was basically nearly a PnP vehicle with warning lights from trans and engine plus many other issues.

You never are able to forecast how much it will cost to repair until you get into it and pull stuff apart. I've got about $1700 CDN of parts to install, some are absolutely necessary and some are what I call preventative or nice to do while in there. Rear shocks need to be replaced but will do the rusty saggy springs while in there. A win was the presumed frozen rear caliper turned out to be the pads were stuck, and new pins would also help, and parking brake actually worked (cable was not stuck) but it was missing the smaller of the springs on the shoes. I bought the Pro-parts parking brake cables and shoes and mounting kit (aftermarket) and will replace them while in there and also paint the back plates and calipers as preventative maintenance.

But when you win you can also lose. I found a pool of green liquid under the front of the car that was not there before. Found the accumulator was dangling in mid-air and I'm assuming there is a cracked pipe somewhere and it is PAG oil on the floor. Oh, well.......!

There is not usually rust behind the limit strap mount. They just snap off. Not had this yet on a S/V70 but I had this happen on my parents 96 850 wagon. They had a body repair shop weld them back on. Not pretty but worked just fine.


Wish you luck!

Neil.

[nico416]

Thanks so much Neil!

I unfortunately had the return of the Lambda light... Po422 came on today Main catalyst code, This is now 3 weeks after welding a new flexpipe onto the manifold...
So am I to understand that my Cat is indeed bad at this point? Im not sure the route to go here, Should i be going back to the place who fixed my flexpipe i know they said a pipe behind the cat was swelling but im not sure it would cause this code, Maybe i have to go back to the dealer to really find out?

Part wise, Theres a 230$cdn cat 5yr/80k warranty on kijiji but it looks much smaller then the one thats on my car. or 1000$ fcp for original def wouuldnt go that far on this car.

The Sunroof is kind of a major deal because everyday it will fly up. My worry will it ever fly off, like is there checks in place that its just flapping up and im going to hear the air coming in, or will it possibly fly off one day. hoping to find a parts car with a good sunroof on it i can pull stuff off from but in the meantime im not sure if i can even tieclip it down internally?

also i keep noticing just tiny drip amounts of coolant come from the heater core, not sure if that means its on its way out but i do have the new part so Im going to replace my heatercore with the swedishauto parts one.

Thanks again for everything guys.

[scot850]

Can't really answer the question on replacing the cat as I have so far not needed to. P0422 does point to the cat, but have you replaced the 02 sensors at all?

As for the heater core, you need to see where the leak is coming from. I had the 'O' rings fail on my 850 but the heater core was dry. So if you can see if the dampness is emanating from a point lower than the core, but from the plastic section, try feeling at the back of the core where the heater pipe enter it. The reality is that to replace the 'O' rings you have o pull the core anyway, so if you can get a cheap core it may be worth replacing it anyway while you are in there.

I don't quite understand what is wrong with the moonroof. Can you take and post a picture of the issue? Until them duct tape is your friend!

I have most of the parts for a moonroof somewhere so I may have what you are needing.

Neil.

[scot850]

Also forgot to add that there is a process to re-train the moon/sun roof as to the limits. You will have to look for the info but it could just be the roof has lost it's zero point. But if it is actually flapping there may be something broken.

Neil.

[FlyingVolvo]

When you replace the heater core, make sure to use genuine Volvo o-rings. I used new aftermarket ones once and they started leaking immediately. I put in the old 10-year old ones to stop the leak until I got some new genuine replacements.

For P0422, I fought with this code for the better part of 7 years. Back when I had to have my car tested in California, it would pass the emissions with flying colors, yet I'd still get the code to pop up every few hundred miles. Even after a huge tune-up recently, new O2 sensors and everything, I still got the code and there's no sign that that cat converter is clogged up or performing poorly (no bad smells or anything). I went ahead and bought a rear O2 spacer, and the code has now been off for 600 miles. Irritated that I didn't do this years ago. On the bright side, P0422 is the ONLY code I've had show up in this car in the last 8 years or so.