HAL-9000 flips an Uber Volvo SUV

93Regina · Post by **93Regina** » 25 Mar 2017, 12:04

A self-driving Uber got into an accident in Arizona and flipped onto its side

crlande · Post by **crlande** » 25 Mar 2017, 13:14

I am concerned about these self driving cars but article states it was the human that failed. I would have expected the other car to be on its side though.

93Regina · Post by **93Regina** » 27 Mar 2017, 08:01

crlande wrote: ↑25 Mar 2017, 13:14article states it was the human that failed.

Not enough details, the question is if defensive driving could have avoided this accident.

Article suggested it was an intersection accident, so could have an alert driver seen this fast moving vehicle, and taken evasive action?

A defensive driver attempts to avoids accidents, regardless if other driver is at fault.

Hence, can autopilots drive defensively, is the real question.

Post by **850 LPT** » 27 Mar 2017, 13:08

This is why the self driving nonsense has to stop. But I'm afraid that will only happen if someone gets hurt (or worse).

Post by **matthew1** » 27 Mar 2017, 13:17

Autonomous cars are coming as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. The question is how the details will play out.

Events like this will certainly guide the course of this society-changing evolution in transportation.

We're living in the beginning of the end of driving a car. I'd be very surprised if in 15 years we can buy a car that we drive.

Post by **jimmy57** » 27 Mar 2017, 14:07

Why would you think another car should be on its side? If a vehicle impacts another vehicle in any one of many ways where it rides up on the other vehicle or is hit with some structure below rocker height then it gets sent onto its side. There is not always anything that occurs that sends the second vehicle onto its side. The rollover protection features are aids in stopping the vehicle from rolling over when the cause originates in THAT vehicle.
The Uber XC90 had its backup driver onboard but right of way violator may have still caused a wreck even if the driver had been in full control. What is not known through any press reports is whether the hardware Uber added to vehicle did something wrong that added to the results we see in photo.
I think what this shows is that full autonomous drive is not greatly more capable in seeing someone violating your right of way. GPS Transponders on all vehicles on road is the only way that can be avoided with great success. Vehicles coming from camera blind areas can't be avoided by any technology available now.
Full self driving is still full of issues, some of those being laws that will have to be changed. Much extended accident avoidance is soon to exist.

93Regina · Post by **93Regina** » 27 Mar 2017, 19:40

jimmy57 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2017, 14:07 but right of way violator may have still caused a wreck even if the driver had been in full control.

Here is a defensive driver. I doubt if any autopilot system can do this.

Post by **jimmy57** » 27 Mar 2017, 22:15

We drive everyday in situations where we go on blind faith. We do this with loads of distractions of life take a lot of our attention away from driving. The cameras in these vehicles combined with lidar and some microwave devices do their jobs with no such problems. BUT they can't see everything and can't see through things. They also have NO control over something/someone that comes into the vehicle path 7 milliseconds before impact when it takes 8 milliseconds to act. Humans would not see that at all as we have cognizance in the range of 25 milliseconds. Now for the tough part: we may forgive humans for indiscretions but we rarely forgive corporations. When control is taken from us far from perfect humans we expect perfect behavior by the machines. Given all of this I expect autonomous cars to have a lot of scenarios where they will beep and warn and let the humans take over. I think there is a lot of expectations changing that will occur when we get this technology. I have lots of curiosity about "lesser of the evils" decision making. I'm curious about lane usage determinations. The more I think of this the more questions come up. I can't wait. I have designs on making equipment that gets your autonomous car to get out of my way...............

Post by **mrbrian200** » 28 Mar 2017, 03:32

I can appreciate the prospect of fully autonomous vehicles. It will never be 'perfect'. But at the point human drivers can (by the numbers) be shown to be dramatically worse at instigating collisions then it's gold. I suspect the AI may already be there, if not, it will be soon. I have trouble genuinely appreciating/comprehending the raw computing power they're fitting on a 4"x8"x1" board (Nvidia P100) or uatx size server board (Intel Xeon Phi) which in 5-10 years will scale to a functional product size/price to a couple hundred dollars and probably about the size of a smart phone (10-20 Teraflops of computing power easily incorporated into onboard vehicle systems at no higher cost than current systems). The day when your insurance company objects to your wanting to 'drive yourself' is coming....

93Regina · Post by **93Regina** » 28 Mar 2017, 05:15

jimmy57 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2017, 22:15we expect perfect behavior by the machines.

I sure hope our banks' computers get it right.

mrbrian200 wrote: ↑28 Mar 2017, 03:32The day when your insurance company objects to your wanting to 'drive yourself' is coming....

Get a motorcycle...no autopilots here