A appalling driving car, I hope Volvo's hybrids are better!

[June]

If Volvo makes the new electric cars drive like Tesla, then once again Volvo will sell me a car and likely every couple of years. I will always keep my S80, after all these years why not. I still love the way it drives. June

Images, Polestar 1:
https://www.google.com/search?q=polesta ... 97&bih=462

Does that put you at ease in regard to Volvo's plans for their EVs June?
It sure does for me. Looks like 2-door morph between the S90 and a P2 S60.
Oh my is that ever so pretty, especially the black one. Show me some dark metallic colors like Barents Blue or Ruby Red please!

Yes I think it looks great, but no mention weather the safety is like Volvo though I can't imagine it not being. I will not buy a hybrid ever never ever... I want a pure electric version with 600 hp and 1000 ft-lb of torque!

Yes, I want blue as well. Not dreary or mute either. Maybe some odd colors like forest green, yellow, pink, plum purple, you get the picture. Also may offer blue, and bring back lava red interiors as well.

Look at cars and we might as well be looking at model T Fords in 1920 as far as color options go. Oh with the addition of ugly mute greys and the occasional white. What the he-l happened to color choices? June

[mrbrian200]

They might be getting a little crazy with the chrome accents around the interior. Possibly to make up for the neutral exterior colors chosen for these pre-production samples. It looks appropriate in the executive models currently available like the S90 but I'm not sure it works for a sport/performance variant. One of the things I really like about my S60 is the curvy/wrap around shape of the dash on the front RH passenger side. Too many chrome accented ruler flat hard lines in/around the front and center console area inside this. They might think about some moderate tweaks to the Polestar 1's front console elements before it goes into production in 1.5.

[mrbrian200]

As I suspected, Volvo is using the front electric drive in place of a noisy traditional starter to start the engine when needed. In normal driving you would probably rarely notice anything. You'd get instant power from the electric with added power from the ICE in about 1/4-1/2 second when it's needed.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... est-review

93Regina
Are you sure you don't want (to at least test drive) one? The only reason I wouldn't want it is the S90 is simply far too big for me, especially now that they've stretched it few more inches. The Polestar 1 I would probably love, but with an effective ~600HP power range it borders on supercar with super high insurance rates like you get with other high end/high horse vehicles from AMG, BMW etc. I'm waiting to see what they do with the redesigned/SPA S60s that will probably be unveiled in the next 6-12 months. If it basically mirrors the Polestar 1 in the exterior looks department with some modest changes in the interior that doesn't remind me quite so much of my grandma's china cabinet I'll be all over it.
I really like the interior of my S60: Charcoal/Arena with wood accents and NO Chrome.
I'm not sure how well received Volvos subscription based plan will be here in the states as far as the Polestar 1 is concerned. It's obviously geared toward future EVs to alleviate people's concerns around charging times/needing to rent an ICE vehicle for longer drives. But most people here in the states who can afford a $100k+ vehicle are likely to also own/keep a second ICE vehicle just for these times and aren't going to be crazy about having to clean out their car/let some stranger drive it while they exchange it for a Hybrid. And when you want the EV back you may not even get the same one. Future lower price EVs (probably not anything in the high performance Polestar line) this may be an attractive option for high rise/dense neighborhood city dwellers where parking space is sort of a premium... People like my friend who lives in the Edgewater neighborhood in Chicago, with a decent but far from wealthy income (buying a second parking space in his condo building and carrying insurance on a second vehicle would be a stretch, street parking is a bit--.

[June]

As I suspected, Volvo is using the front electric drive in place of a noisy traditional starter to start the engine when needed. In normal driving you would probably rarely notice anything. You'd get instant power from the electric with added power from the ICE in about 1/4-1/2 second when it's needed.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/20 ... est-review

93Regina
Are you sure you don't want (to at least test drive) one? The only reason I wouldn't want it is the S90 is simply far too big for me, especially now that they've stretched it few more inches. The Polestar 1 I would probably love, but with an effective ~600HP power range it borders on supercar with super high insurance rates like you get with other high end/high horse vehicles from AMG, BMW etc. I'm waiting to see what they do with the redesigned/SPA S60s that will probably be unveiled in the next 6-12 months. If it basically mirrors the Polestar 1 in the exterior looks department with some modest changes in the interior that doesn't remind me quite so much of my grandma's china cabinet I'll be all over it.
I really like the interior of my S60: Charcoal/Arena with wood accents and NO Chrome.
I'm not sure how well received Volvos subscription based plan will be here in the states as far as the Polestar 1 is concerned. It's obviously geared toward future EVs to alleviate people's concerns around charging times/needing to rent an ICE vehicle for longer drives. But most people here in the states who can afford a $100k+ vehicle are likely to also own/keep a second ICE vehicle just for these times and aren't going to be crazy about having to clean out their car/let some stranger drive it while they exchange it for a Hybrid. And when you want the EV back you may not even get the same one. Future lower price EVs (probably not anything in the high performance Polestar line) this may be an attractive option for high rise/dense neighborhood city dwellers where parking space is sort of a premium... People like my friend who lives in the Edgewater neighborhood in Chicago, with a decent but far from wealthy income (buying a second parking space in his condo building and carrying insurance on a second vehicle would be a stretch, street parking is a bit--.

Why would a owner clean out their car and let a stranger drive it while they rent a hybrid? Most rental car companies will deliver a car to your home and the electric car could just stay in the driveway? I buy a 2020 S90 all electric I'll be darned if I am going to let a stranger drive it away. Other than when my S80 is in for service nobody else drives my car, not even my husband dares to touch my car. Some stranger might dump drinks, be a pig and eat spilling food in the car, smoke in the car, or worse wreck the car causing a lawsuit not to mention a ruined car. So many reasons nobody else drives my car and never will. June

[mrbrian200]

Why would a owner clean out their car and let a stranger drive it while they rent a hybrid?

If you're not the type that's comfortable swapping the car with strangers, you would just never request anything else and make separate arrangements for an ICE vehicle when you need one. Which you would be doing with a traditional sale/lease anyway.

I suspect it's meant to bridge a gap between a zipcar type membership and traditional ownership. The main difference being you have a car in your possession at all times to better accommodate spur of the moment plans or drive every day with varying schedules.

I'm not sure where this leaves people like us who like to keep the overall cost of 'ownership' lower by buying somewhat older vehicles outright which have already depreciated in value and maintaining them ourselves or hiring independent mechanics when possible. I haven't seen any details of Volvos subscription plan with regard to what happens to individual vehicles as they age. Will they will sell off older cars to private owners or have a tiered price structure where the subscription price varies up and down by the model/year of the car in your possession? Or do they plan on retiring/recycling every single one after X-number of years/no longer suitable at a minimum subscription price point? Which would effectively put a stop to our nonsense.

[June]

Why would a owner clean out their car and let a stranger drive it while they rent a hybrid?

If you're not the type that's comfortable swapping the car with strangers, you would just never request anything else and make separate arrangements for an ICE vehicle when you need one. Which you would be doing with a traditional sale/lease anyway.

I suspect it's meant to bridge a gap between a zipcar type membership and traditional ownership. The main difference being you have a car in your possession at all times to better accommodate spur of the moment plans or drive every day with varying schedules.

I'm not sure where this leaves people like us who like to keep the overall cost of 'ownership' lower by buying somewhat older vehicles outright which have already depreciated in value and maintaining them ourselves or hiring independent mechanics when possible. I haven't seen any details of Volvos subscription plan with regard to what happens to individual vehicles as they age. Will they will sell off older cars to private owners or have a tiered price structure where the subscription price varies up and down by the model/year of the car in your possession? Or do they plan on retiring/recycling every single one after X-number of years/no longer suitable at a minimum subscription price point? Which would effectively put a stop to our nonsense.

Well if Volvo stops selling private cars to people like me than eventually when the day comes that my S80 is no longer viable I guess I will upgrade to Rolls Royse. Any car company thinks I am going to allow anyone to drive my car is nuts (other than repair technicians when I take it in for repair) as well as I expect to be able to order, buy, and own said vehicle until I decide to trade. June

[mrbrian200]

On a side note: Tesla strikes again.
0-60 in less than two seconds. 0-100 in 4.2?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fa ... mg00000063

However, the bit that really peaks my interest is the 620 mile range!
That brings the vehicle in line with more long distance trippers: 600+ is getting into the range which many people driving cross country expect to drive in one day without stopping to rest overnight (and recharge an EV). Shorter range regional trips, such as my trip to Chicago this coming week, 100 miles away, I could expect to get there, stay, do my running around, and get back home without worrying about charging the car while I'm there.
Sort of like I do now with my S60 ICE now: I fill up before I go because gas is 20-50c more expensive up there. I can get up there and back on way less than 1/2 tank with a range between 425-540 depending on driving conditions/traffic.

[93Regina]

Look at cars and we might as well be looking at model T Fords in 1920 as far as color options go.

"While most automobile producers limited themselves to a single color
combination, and Ford relied exclusively on the fast-drying Japan
Black lacquer which cured in a matter of hours, Jordan automobiles
were available in no less than three colors of red - "Apache Red",
"Mercedes Red", and "Savage Red"- as well as "Ocean Sand Gray",
"Venetian Green", "Briarcliff Green",[2] "Egyptian Bronze", "Liberty
Blue",[2] and "Chinese Blue". Black was also available. The most
flamboyant of color schemes was on the four-passenger Sport model
which could be ordered in "Submarine Gray", with khaki top and orange
wheels."

[DomingoSpear]

The Plug-in Hybrid engine gives you 400 hp of power and five different driving modes. The Pure mode uses the electric engine as much as possible up to 125kph, thereby reducing fuel consumption and emissions. You don’t have to worry about running out of power though, the gasoline engine is always there for you when you need it. Hybrid mode is designed for comfort. It combines the electric motor and the gasoline engine. It combines power to either front of back wheels, or in parallel, to give you the performance you need. The Power mode uses the combined forces of gasoline and electric at the same time to all four wheels, while steering, transmission and brakes are tuned for sportiness. The eAWD (all-wheel drive) mode improves traction, and in addition, the Off Road mode engages an electronically-controlled, limited slip differential function and can help you negotiate poor roads at speeds below 40kph. Your XC90 can be a silent-running zero-emission city car, a blistering performance SUV, a supremely versatile seven-seater or a reassuring companion in challenging conditions.

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