COVID, Who Knew First?

[Sveedy]

I found this interesting. It appears that world wide people have just decided to get one shot, instead of two. Maybe due to the constantly changing info we get ? Being that this is world wide, it seems like a cheap shot to say that hesitancy is due to political beliefs or levels of education etc. Coercion / force absolutely won't work when we have the government on one hand starting to force people to get the shots, while that same government on the other hand won't give any of the vaccines full clearance. Remember not one vaccine has full approval of the FDA ! So which is it ? Not just in this country, but world wide, people are understandably skeptical of what they are being told.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccine-t ... Adjusted=1
Also notable that China isn't using a mRNA vaccine for its people. Yet we blame them as if they knew all about this from the start. Oh those sneaky Chinese ! So if any of that is true, then why are they not going down the mRNA road, and instead are treating the virus in a more standard manner ?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55212787

[RickHaleParker]

Remember not one vaccine has full approval of the FDA ! So which is it ? Not just in this country, but world wide, people are understandably skeptical of what they are being told.

People are not applying critical thinking. Bureaucratic protocol, if they don't go through the whole process they can never give it full approval but ... the protocols are not so sacred that the government holds back the vaccines from the public when it is needed.

[Sveedy]

But maybe they are applying critical thinking, and that is exactly why they aren't getting vaccinated. The FDA issue only applies in this country, but look at the other developed countries rates of vaccination. Australia ? ?

Also puzzling is that unlike other virus outbreaks, this one hasn't hit the host country hardest, which has always been the case in the past. Granted we don't have as much info as we would like, but that seems to be the case.

[RickHaleParker]

Also puzzling is that unlike other virus outbreaks, this one hasn't hit the host country hardest, which has always been the case in the past. Granted we don't have as much info as we would like, but that seems to be the case.

China has a much higher national prioritization of health then we do and they learned a tough lesson with SARS. Something we lag on. China did want needed to be done early on. Here we are still collectively debating on what should be done. As if we lack the collective mental capacity to learn through the experience of others.

[Sveedy]

Yes as my little quote states, best to learn bad lessons vicariously through others. I'm just noting inconsistencies / oddities as we navigate this and maybe some reasons why people are not flocking to get vaccinated. It's so screwy in this country that I have to step back and look at what is going on in other countries to help put it all in perspective. And it looks that, like the virus, the hesitancy is also world wide.
I know none of us can answer this, but why did China not go the mRNA vaccine route ? They certainly could have if they wanted to. They did after all work with Oxford at first. But they went Viral Vector instead.

[MoVolvos]

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A very different perspective. He mentioned critical thinking.







N95 works. Ivermectin is mentioned again besides another high source of COVID spread.

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[RickHaleParker]

I know none of us can answer this, but why did China not go the mRNA vaccine route ? They certainly could have if they wanted to. They did after all work with Oxford at first. But they went Viral Vector instead.

From what I gather China's mRNA is technology not as advanced.

The way I see it this is global problem which needs a multi-tool approach. Don't be knocking the Chinese course of action, it did create a tool that accessible to people our tool ignores.

China’s vaccines do not need cold-storage logistics. The mRNA vaccines do need refrigeration that limits where they can be distributed. China’s vaccines do have advantages in parts of the world where refrigeration is non-existent and mRNA vaccines cannot be distributed.

China’s vaccines are effective anywhere in the world. Our mRNA vaccines or more effective in some parts of the world, totally ineffective in other parts of the world because the limitations on distribution.

Summery: mRNA vaccines are a better solution in developed countries but it is not a global solution to a global problem. China's contribution is a global one our is more self-serving.

[Sveedy]

Well correct me if I'm wrong ( I know you will ) but from what I read the Chinese approach seems to be to vaccinate those who become infected, not everyone in the general population before hand. That's a big difference. I'm not knocking them at all. Quite the opposite.
If the world stands at 14% vaccinated as of now, how can we ever realistically expect to get to 70% with the mRNA approach ?
It would seem that the Chinese route makes more sense overall. As I said months ago - treat those who get infected and trace / test the people that come in contact with the infected. China is not a backward country. In fact they typically take the long look on most issues. They are going to eclipse us in renewable energy and it seems Covid response as well. I would certainly like to know more about their ways of dealing with this virus.

[MoVolvos]

Well correct me if I'm wrong ( I know you will ) but from what I read the Chinese approach seems to be to vaccinate those who become infected, not everyone in the general population before hand. That's a big difference. I'm not knocking them at all. Quite the opposite.

China
If that's true and you control the money and the people, you have to balance spending and good health or you lose your wealth and control? Was China treating the COVID as a bad flu and dealing with it as needed including erecting hospitals? Manpower is cheap.

US
If you are free to spend other peoples money and tax if you want more all the while pocketing Big Pharma's lobbying then it's business as usual?

From Yahoo's article one could think the Vaccine was just another Scientific Gain of Function experiment but on the populous this time as it is now more infectious. Now you can have the Delta and whatever was in the Vaccine and have a similar Viral Load? Wonder if the Delta is a mutation from the Vaccinated?

Think of the millions and millions (majority) who weren't sick and will not get sick from the Variant again this year while the rest keep taking a shot every year and can still get the new Variant.

"Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/war-changed- ... 39094.html

History tells you the U.S. was interested in Bacteria Science way back as Japanese and German Doctors and Scientists were given light jail sentence in return for their data. Only in 2018 did the Japanese open their archives into their Biological work on the populous. Perhaps generations down the line you'll discover the Vaccine was a Gain of Function on the populous, like the Japanese Biological Science experiments in Unit 731.

In the name of Science Fauci is okay with a Pandemic in order to save future generations (ya right). Sounds like the current spending but kicking the can down the road instead.



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[RickHaleParker]

Well correct me if I'm wrong ( I know you will ) but from what I read the Chinese approach seems to be to vaccinate those who become infected, not everyone in the general population before hand. That's a big difference. I'm not knocking them at all. Quite the opposite.

That information can't be correct. After the fact is treatment not vaccination. A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. Proactive not reactive.

The whole idea of vaccination is to train the body's defenses using a neutered invasion force. So that when the real invasion comes the body knows how to fight and can do so effectively. If you wait until after the real invasion it not effective because the body is spending time and energy learning to fighting the real thing. While the real invasion force gets the upper hand.

A military analogy for vaccination would be Boot camp. How effective would Boot camp be in the mist of a real battle .... ?

Getting vaccinated after fighting off a real invasion is additional training. It boosts the defenses that why they are called boosters. One could think of a booster as keeping the training up.