A Cautionary Message From Vaccine Advocates

[MoVolvos]

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A Cautionary Message From Vaccine Advocates w/ Dr. Aditi Bhargava, Kyle Warner, And Brianne Dressen

Molecular Biologist Dr. Aditi Bhargava, the director of laboratory research at UCSF develops mRNA technology, the same technology used in covid vaccines."

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[abscate]

THis is classic right wing propaganda, sorry

The clip puts on an m-RNA researcher talking about Public Health Policy, not her field of expertise, and two people who have been 'injured by the vaccine' and their experiences with a preface that this isnt a 'biased view'

Request to all


Lets move this TOPIC area back to where Matt asked us to some time back - discussions from ourselves on topics and not cross posting Maddow/FOX/CNN/divergent-media

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[foggydogg]

This item is neither a real "Cautionary Message", nor are most of the participants "Vaccine Advocates."
I have to agree with Dr. Smith on this matter.

[pbierre]

Non-quantitative discussions of Covid vaccination risks is a RED FLAG. Anti-vax infowarriors deftly avoid any discussion of statistical probabilities, so that they can exploit a known human cognitive frailty -- preference for dramatic stories, which can be cherry-picked. It's the exact same "fake news" methodology they criticize journalists for using.

Unless you have an immuno-compromising disease, your biggest risk is catching Covid-19 and being in the 5% who then develop Long Covid, a cluster of debilities that are just frightening. You need to research these Long Covid symptoms, and ponder the 1:20 probability before declining mRNA vaccination.

Yes, there are adverse reactions to the vaccine, but these cases are in the 20: 1,000,000 range. Most of the reported adverse reactions are coincidental, not causal. The small % of young adults who experienced myocarditis are true adverse reactions, in the 100s per million, but these symptoms almost always clear within a few weeks.

Your biggest statistical risk is suffering Long Covid. Vaccination will lower the odds of Long Covid by 80-90%, i.e. instead of 1:20 to suffer it, it goes down to 1:100 or 1:200. Now do you see the necessity of quantitative thinking when weighing the vaccination decision?

[MoVolvos]

Non-quantitative discussions of Covid vaccination risks is a RED FLAG. Anti-vax infowarriors deftly avoid any discussion of statistical probabilities, so that they can exploit a known human cognitive frailty -- preference for dramatic stories, which can be cherry-picked. It's the exact same "fake news" methodology they criticize journalists for using.

Unless you have an immuno-compromising disease, your biggest risk is catching Covid-19 and being in the 5% who then develop Long Covid, a cluster of debilities that are just frightening. You need to research these Long Covid symptoms, and ponder the 1:20 probability before declining mRNA vaccination.

Yes, there are adverse reactions to the vaccine, but these cases are in the 20: 1,000,000 range. Most of the reported adverse reactions are coincidental, not causal. The small % of young adults who experienced myocarditis are true adverse reactions, in the 100s per million, but these symptoms almost always clear within a few weeks.

Your biggest statistical risk is suffering Long Covid. Vaccination will lower the odds of Long Covid by 80-90%, i.e. instead of 1:20 to suffer it, it goes down to 1:100 or 1:200. Now do you see the necessity of quantitative thinking when weighing the vaccination decision?

Long time friend and neighbor is a Clinical Data Manager at Merck. He sees what's in VARS. Has compared it to other vaccines. Most of those who are demonized as Anti-Vax are just not sold on the efficacy and safety during trials which has not followed the normal vaccine trial protocols. He is debating whether to look for another job as the Merck mandate process moves along.

While in Duke for a week late August I was told 600 Healthcare workers quit due to their Vaccine Mandate. Friend and physician contracts for Wake Med and they lost 500. I don't believe any of those were Anti-Vaxers as healthcare workers have always been the first to take Meds for patient and their own safety.

Both the doctor and those in the video are obviously not Anti-Vax if you've watched the video. The one below is neither. Both physicians are top in their fields and are just sharing the facts on what is happening.



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[RickHaleParker]

The anti-vaxxers are spreading a deadly virus. Contributing to the deaths of millions. Anti-vaxxers should be imprisoned for mass homicide ... and thats the truth.

[kallekula]

I think all anti vaxxers should pay out of their own pocket should they end up under hospital care because of covid.
They annoy me because I take medicin which has wiped out my immune system. I'd probably die from just a light version of covid.

[RickHaleParker]

I think all anti vaxxers should pay out of their own pocket should they end up under hospital care because of covid.
They annoy me because I take medicine which has wiped out my immune system. I'd probably die from just a light version of covid.

The anti-vaxxers are trying use civil rights protections to push their anti-vax agenda while endangering the civil rights of others, like the right to life. As far I am concern, they can violate the anti-vaxxers to their hearts delight. I got no empathy for people that deplorable.

[MoVolvos]

Non-quantitative discussions of Covid vaccination risks is a RED FLAG. Anti-vax infowarriors deftly avoid any discussion of statistical probabilities...

One can always quote and write but I prefer it to be established by those who are in the field with facts. Just as nubes come here for answers in the beginning, they too hope to get the rubber meets the road answers.

Dr. Fauci "IS" the director of NIH and all physicians look to NIH for drug guidance. I assume he doesn't know...

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/anthony-s-fauci-md-bio

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Understandably, in the Court Of Public Opinion there will always be the 25% regardless of facts. Like Smollett they believe in their own truth they've created. What use to be perhaps 10% not buying it, now it's 75%. While the world is getting people well quickly, here the "never let a tragedy go to waste" is in full gear and money ahead of healing at the peoples expense. This will come out some day just as in the case of Smollett. Regardless I support the 2ND to protect the 25% 1ST even if they don't get it or want to get it and remain as such.

The 25%
https://www.yahoo.com/news/most-think-s ... 20638.html

(EDIT: Self censure, video removed due to inappropriate language)

In Other News For the 75% - What do these 3rd world country know, right ? Just the fact Man or was that Maim.








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[MoVolvos]

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‘Virtually every’ COVID omicron case at NY college was in fully vaccinated, official says
https://www.yahoo.com/news/virtually-ev ... 35331.html

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