Seal is interesting business. For my 2007 S60 2.5T...
- The REAR Cam Seal: I used Corteco and the O.D. is perfect, it requires some force
(appropriate socket) + small hammer to drive it in. It is a nice amount of force to push it in.
- The FRONT Cam Seal: I also used the Corteco, but the O.D. could be a bit bigger.
You can push it in by hand, no need for socket or hammer. This is why some of these seals fall out with time.
The design is very poor. The VVT Hub Shaft is not long enough, the sealing edge is about 1.5 mm
from the bevel edge...
The problem is two-fold:
1. From factory, the metal bore is around 65 mm, plus/minus a bit bc machining new bore
is only that accurate, there is always some difference from engine to engine at the factory.
2. From the seal mfg standpoint, there is also variation when new seal comes out.
Anyway, as @abscate said when doing FRONT cam seal, a thin coat of black silicone RTV should
be used on the OUTER edge. The INNER lip should be oiled during installation.
A photo on seal education. This is why car mfg's work very hard to make sure the seal (whoever the mfg is)
works fine for 100K miles to avoid recall etc.
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- The early version of VVT design has the VVT Hub only on the Exhaust side. The Intake VVT was added later.
This is bc the Exhaust camshaft does most of the work (such as "advanced or retarded" positions to control
emission and engine power).
FYI, when you rotate the VVT Hub all the way Clockwise (with the cam shaft locked in the rear), the camshaft
is in retarded position.
Just think VVT Hub vs camshaft w.r.t. each other.
- In 99% of the time, the sealing edge sits where the groove is, during emission control or acceleration/deceleration etc.,
the VVT Hub Shaft may be pulled outward 1-2 mm, but soon returns to its neutral position.
- First photo shows the poor Volvo design. From factory, the sealing edge (of the seal) sits only 3 mm
away from the chamfered edge of the VVT Hub Shaft. Not a problem if you have a P80 car such as 1998 S70 with
solid hub (non-VVT). When the VVT was designed, the helical gear moves to advance or retard the cam, in the
process of moving the helical gears, there is some axial movement between advanced and retarded positions,
even with brand-new VVT Hub.
- This is why at > 100K miles, most wear and tear happens on the Exhaust VVT Hub.
The Intake VVT Hub can go to 200K.
And this is why people see oil leak, simply bc of the poor design, the Exhaust VVT Hub wears after > 100K, it can move
outward enough to allow the sealing edge (of the seal) to slip into the chamfered edge area ---> oil leak.
- Second photo shows a typical seal cutaway view and its relationship to the VVT Hub Shaft.
This is poor engineering, if the Hub Shaft is 2 mm longer, we won't have any of these oil leak issues.
- Anyway, I am thinking for cars with > 115K or 120K, if you have oil leak, you may as well get a new Exhaust VVT Hub
(No need to replace the Intake VVT Hub) and new seals.
- And since the Volvo or Corteco seal O.D. is not big enough for a tight fit, you should apply some Black RTV on the outer edge, per @abscate's advice: I think this is a good advice.
- Since this is such a big job (locking the rear cam etc.), it just makes sense to use new Exhaust VVT Hub and new seals x2. At the time of this writing, you can buy new Exhaust VVT Hub for $219 (google "Volvo Forth Washington in PA"). Hey, a brand-new tire these days costs $150!
- This is why when people had cam oil leak, they install the new seal and still have the oil leak bc the Exhaust VVT Hub has excess movement. So, if you have oil leak there, a new Exhaust VVT Hub saves you time/aggravation...
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This is bc the Exhaust camshaft does most of the work (such as "advanced or retarded" positions to control
emission and engine power).
FYI, when you rotate the VVT Hub all the way Clockwise (with the cam shaft locked in the rear), the camshaft
is in retarded position.
Just think VVT Hub vs camshaft w.r.t. each other.
- In 99% of the time, the sealing edge sits where the groove is, during emission control or acceleration/deceleration etc.,
the VVT Hub Shaft may be pulled outward 1-2 mm, but soon returns to its neutral position.
- First photo shows the poor Volvo design. From factory, the sealing edge (of the seal) sits only 3 mm
away from the chamfered edge of the VVT Hub Shaft. Not a problem if you have a P80 car such as 1998 S70 with
solid hub (non-VVT). When the VVT was designed, the helical gear moves to advance or retard the cam, in the
process of moving the helical gears, there is some axial movement between advanced and retarded positions,
even with brand-new VVT Hub.
- This is why at > 100K miles, most wear and tear happens on the Exhaust VVT Hub.
The Intake VVT Hub can go to 200K.
And this is why people see oil leak, simply bc of the poor design, the Exhaust VVT Hub wears after > 100K, it can move
outward enough to allow the sealing edge (of the seal) to slip into the chamfered edge area ---> oil leak.
- Second photo shows a typical seal cutaway view and its relationship to the VVT Hub Shaft.
This is poor engineering, if the Hub Shaft is 2 mm longer, we won't have any of these oil leak issues.
- Anyway, I am thinking for cars with > 115K or 120K, if you have oil leak, you may as well get a new Exhaust VVT Hub
(No need to replace the Intake VVT Hub) and new seals.
- And since the Volvo or Corteco seal O.D. is not big enough for a tight fit, you should apply some Black RTV on the outer edge, per @abscate's advice: I think this is a good advice.
- Since this is such a big job (locking the rear cam etc.), it just makes sense to use new Exhaust VVT Hub and new seals x2. At the time of this writing, you can buy new Exhaust VVT Hub for $219 (google "Volvo Forth Washington in PA"). Hey, a brand-new tire these days costs $150!
- This is why when people had cam oil leak, they install the new seal and still have the oil leak bc the Exhaust VVT Hub has excess movement. So, if you have oil leak there, a new Exhaust VVT Hub saves you time/aggravation...
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Cn90 really drills into stuff to the core!
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This is the only video on youtube (that I know of) that shows the inner working of the Volvo VVT.
You can see opposing helical gears, so when the VVT is pressurized, the piston is pushed outward
turning the helical gears so the most inner gear (bolted to camshaft via T55 big bolt) is turned CW.
Thus the camshaft moves from retarded position to advanced position.
You can see opposing helical gears, so when the VVT is pressurized, the piston is pushed outward
turning the helical gears so the most inner gear (bolted to camshaft via T55 big bolt) is turned CW.
Thus the camshaft moves from retarded position to advanced position.
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Jimmy57 posted a cutaway of this too, to give credit where due. This is an amazing system and has many benefits to engine operation, emissions, and power.
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Thanks cn90 for this one! For a P2 timing belt job (and front cam seals) I am considering just getting a new hub. It is second timing belt and the seals are still dry but while in there ...
Some current prices:
$286 = $251 + $35 shipping, Volvo Ft Washinton, https://parts.volvofw.com/p/42866951/9497786.html
$271 = $244 + $27 shipping, Tasca, https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/volvo-hub-9497786
$279 = $266 + $13, Volvo of Lisle, https://parts.volvocarslisle.com/p/4286 ... 97786.html
$334 free shipping, FCP, https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/volvo- ... 90-9497786
$312 = $302 + $10 shipping, AutoHausAz, https://www.autohausaz.com/pn/VO-9497786
Shipping costs are to the midwest and for those dealer sites will be less if you are closer to the seller but the dealer sites routinely gouge you on shipping. Best is local pickup for those.
'95 854 T-5R, Motronic 4.4, 185k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6
153k
gone: '96 NA 850 210k, '98 NA V70 182k, '98 S70 NA 225k, '96 855 NA 169k
'98 V70, T5 tune-injectors-turbo, LPT engine, 304k, daily driver
'06 S60 R, 197k
'07 XC70, black, 205k
'07 XC70, willow green, 212k
'99 Camry V6
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I got lucky bc a few Volvo dealers (FT Washington PA was one of them) had a 15% sales and free shipping.
The code during checkout was "FREESHIP".
Anyway, it seems that sales is off now.
This is what I bought.
I have a few P2 2.5T cars with > 120K miles, so I bought two (2) Exhaust VVT Hubs for $213/each,
it was a good deal I could not let it pass...
If you guys wait a bit and check the internet prices often, the sales may be back...
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The code during checkout was "FREESHIP".
Anyway, it seems that sales is off now.
This is what I bought.
I have a few P2 2.5T cars with > 120K miles, so I bought two (2) Exhaust VVT Hubs for $213/each,
it was a good deal I could not let it pass...
If you guys wait a bit and check the internet prices often, the sales may be back...
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2005 XC90 2.5T 110K+
2005 XC90 2.5T 110K+
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