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P2 Pre-purchase checklist

Help, Advice, Owners' Discussion and DIY Tutorials on Volvo's stylish, distinctive P2 platform cars sold as model years 2001-2007 (North American market year designations).

2001 - 2007 V70
2001 - 2004 V70 XC (Cross Country)
2004 - 2007 XC70 (Cross Country)
2001 - 2009 S60
2003 - 2007 S60 R
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yanga001
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P2 Pre-purchase checklist

Post by yanga001 »

Hi Everyone,

May be joining this era of the forum soon and have had my eyes on a few s60's as my 98 v70 bit the bullet recently.

I have a foxwell code scanner and probably will not be able to set up a dice in time for the purchase.

At this time i am looking at a car from my mechanic (trusted friend), a car from a mechanic who said the owner did not want it anymore (07 S60 with 176k km (alleged km)), and some other kijiji goodies.

Right now I usually cart around some rhino ramps when looking at a car to get a good view underneath. I am also planning to bring a jack for those nice suspension checks.

Engine:
-PCV check, bag or glove over the oil cap
-timing belt check, see if its torn up or cracking (would replace this anyways on purchase)
-oil cap check: see if there is sludge or buildup on the oil cap
-check air filter to see if it has been changed.

Body:
-rust rust rust rust rust, check for rust. I do rustproof yearly now so i am not too worried if there is a non structural perforation or hole if the engine is good, however i would prefer to see less of it. My plan is to ride this car out for a good number of km's and years with my maintenance levels (everything but a timing belt or head removal is doable).
-check for crush points/bad lift mounting under the car.
-check for bad welds/evidence of a collision repair
-foggy headlamps tell me how much the previous owner cared about driving (own personal view, do not take offence).

Electrical (OBD scanner):
-Check original km's through a scantool. I carry around a foxwell NT510 Elite and will pay the upgrade for the volvo software if it can save me some money here.
-Check for tranny codes
-Check for misfires/limp home mode

Interior:
-Smokers, no way to get that out of a vehicle
-mold from water damage
-check VIN number on dash, door trim, engine compartment stamp.
-check for km in my neck of the woods (seen a few cars listed where owners are hesitant to tell you its in km's)
-check codes for turbo issues.

Drive test:
-when not possible, gun it down a driveway if safe, see if the turbo spools and sounds healthy
-ive seen Acura's where the turbo valves have seized in place due to sitting. Car cant accelerate past 40 and throws codes later
-check suspension by seeing if the car tracks straight

Wheels:
-check tread wear patterns for uniform wear. For FWD if the fronts are more worn then the rears then i know it was not rotated which is something i can live with.
-peer under the car and check if the CV boots are cracked, check control arm bushings for cracks/wear

Drivetrain:
-outside of an OBD2 check, not much i can do within a 15-20 minute window to see the car. Getting to invasive has scared some sellers but normally that happens on a bad car ;)

Instant Rejections:
-PCV system is really bad, and i mean blue smoke out the exhaust bad
-Bad turbo symptoms
-Tampered odometer if owner has not mentioned it, range would be 20-30k km plus is an instant no
-rusted through frame rails, rust across the bottom (if rust is localized i would still consider it as long as i cannot poke through the frame rails)
-evidence of a rebuild post accident, bent frame rails, aftermarket weld points, cant track straight
-AC compressor fully seized while charged (i do not want to chase down an AC repair)


One tough thing i can think of is that one can clear codes just before a sale. Transmission codes would be my biggest fear as some p2's present issues when a transmission is warmed up after 20-30 minutes of driving. I cant drive a car for that long on a test drive if plated, and when unplated this becomes even more difficult.

I am looking for advice for anything else to check during pre-purchase. Unfortunately i cant take the car to an indy in most cases so it would be up to my checks and determinations.
1998 S70 N/A Auto (Parts car)(planned to be harvested)
1998 V70 N/A Auto New full restoration project (Water pump thrown at 404K Km)
1998 V70 N/A Auto (Workhorse) (Tree to driver B pillar :( )
1999 S70 T5 Auto(Project) (planned to be fixed)
2000 S70 SE M Learning platform (planned to be driven one day)
2008 S60 2.5T Auto (Sold)
2012 Honda Pilot AWD Touring (Daily)

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Post by jonesg »

keys, you want at least 2 keys.
I checked the fluids in mine, test drove it for 200 yards, floored it and said I'll buy it.
Thats how good the turbo's are compared to the old red block volvo's.

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Post by velorider »

Pull the transmission dip stick and smell the fluid. It's hard to find but there is a yellow dip stick.

Control Arm Bushings: grab wheel at the 3 and 9 o'clock position and wiggle

Shock Mount Tear: With the hood open push down on the car and ensure the shock mount isn't torn. Do this on both sides

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Post by Blacklab467 »

If its AWD get it on some snow or wet grass and check to see if it works, this can be an expensive repair and time consuming. Make sure it hasn't had the bevel gear and or propshaft removed, I've seen a few cars where the do this.
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Post by jonesg »

If you do your own work the possibilities are greatly increased over paying mechanics to do all the work.

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Post by volvolugnut »

If your mechanical work is as detailed as your inspection process, you should consider adding PCV repair to your own work capability. It is not that hard to do.
I would add to inspection:
Use a scanner with current engine operation parameters to read things like intake air temp, fuel adjustments, and throttle plate position. If you know what is normal readings, this will spot outliers.
Try to operate all controls from steering wheel and climate controls to spot problems.
Check all lights for operation and lens cracks. High, low and fog lights.

You have a very good list.
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Post by abscate »

Check emission monitors for readiness. If the seller clears codes, they won’t be ready and you know
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Post by yanga001 »

In terms of mechanical comfort i have done the PCV, alternator (rebuild), radiator, power steering pump, and want to learn to do some suspension stuff. I did this on a p80 non turbo which was slightly different.

I would get the mechanic to do the water pump, timing belt, and idlers so its fresh.

The engine readings is a good idea, ill see if i can find some reference readings.

I have a bit of a morbid curiosity with the AWD system. On one hand i like fwd as I know its simpler and is easily within my realm of repairs. On the other hand i would like to have that option given i drive a fair amount in inclement weather. The 98 V70 handled in freezing rain, deeper snow, and heavy rain with white knuckles. I never got stuck but i had to keep up the momentum and it did not feel as planted as my partners AWD SUV. It would be nice to have the AWD but costs over 5 years is what has me worried.
1998 S70 N/A Auto (Parts car)(planned to be harvested)
1998 V70 N/A Auto New full restoration project (Water pump thrown at 404K Km)
1998 V70 N/A Auto (Workhorse) (Tree to driver B pillar :( )
1999 S70 T5 Auto(Project) (planned to be fixed)
2000 S70 SE M Learning platform (planned to be driven one day)
2008 S60 2.5T Auto (Sold)
2012 Honda Pilot AWD Touring (Daily)

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Post by cn90 »

- Good list.

- You can do TB and tensioners.
WP can wait bc the car only 176K km or barely over 110K miles.

- Volvo AWD system is terribly engineered, stripped sleeve etc. etc.

- Just get a set of dedicated winter tires and you should be fine.

- Your big advantage is that you already know the P80 system. The P2 is a bit different but you should be able to wrench.

- Get your mechanic to check all the codes and do the OPI for you. The P2 cars can go to 200K-300K miles...
2004 V70 2.5T 100K+
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Post by yanga001 »

Thanks for the advice, looks like between school and schedules someone else has already beat me to the car. From buying a previous car in the summer i have to keep reminding myself it is not a race, there are many cars available and a better one may come up. Look at p2's has its advantages as there are multitudes more available, at lower km's, and passing one along isn't like passing up a p80.

I started looking at toyota matrix type vehicles and really appreciated how well setup volvo's are. Non XR variants (top trim) did not have power locks, power windows, or heated seats in 2008. I understand the price difference at purchase, but the oddities of our used car market have the price of those vehicles near or on par with an equivalent s60. The gas savings may be nice, and having my biggest worry be an alternator would be beneficial during school. However, it may feel like a downgrade. This part was more of a rant than an addition but yea.

I found that up in Ontario Canada, Facebook marketplace seems to have more vehicles at lower km's then kijiji, autotrader, or carguru.

For Volvo, it seems that kijiji and facebook are on par in terms of availability and km's. Kijiji seems to be favoured by private sellers and non flippers.

For Toyota facebook by far had more sensibly priced cars and greater availability.

Autotrader and carguru seem to favour newer cars post 2008 which may be good if you are in the 8-10k+ price range.

When i find time ill update the list with the suggestions.
1998 S70 N/A Auto (Parts car)(planned to be harvested)
1998 V70 N/A Auto New full restoration project (Water pump thrown at 404K Km)
1998 V70 N/A Auto (Workhorse) (Tree to driver B pillar :( )
1999 S70 T5 Auto(Project) (planned to be fixed)
2000 S70 SE M Learning platform (planned to be driven one day)
2008 S60 2.5T Auto (Sold)
2012 Honda Pilot AWD Touring (Daily)

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