Looking at replacing my 1995 850 turbo wagon with another wagon.
This is at a local location. I know the V90 is the higher priced wagon and a V60 might do me as well.
But doesn't the V90 have "standard" features that are optional in the V60? Apples to Apples pricing of used cars is very difficult since the listings don't always show every feature or even label the optionals as optional.
The V90 is AWD, the V60 FWD. I'd be happy with FWD. Is AWD more expensive to maintain?
The picture looks like a wagon, but its not a "cross country" - what's the difference? Not going offroad, just hauling eight foot long 2x4s from Home Depot once in a while, or my pellet stove fuel once a year. Will be our second car. Wife can't handle the step up/down from a SUV or pickup, so need the wagon style.
Carmax certified - what's that worth in your experience? Do they actually find the problems?
Asking $37k. How negotiable is CarMax & what fees do they tack on ?
White with black interior (HOT in summer) is a lousy color scheme. White is safest in the dark, but not in a snowstorm.
With any car I'd want to have my mechanic check it out. How difficult to they make it to return the car within 30 days & what fees are charged?
https://www.carmax.com/car/25068478
https://www.carmax.com/car/25068478/vehicle-history
The Experian report says
titled 7/2020. Its first 19-20k miles were as a dealer/rental in Florida over a year.
5/2021 Minor accident to left side in the middle: "Left Side Impact with Another Vehicle, Accident Reported, minor damage." drawing shows location as being pretty well centered - maybe door dented but not the pillar ?
7/2021 sold to Wisconson for personal use thru 11/2023, now has 45.5k miles. Wondering about salt damage.
So its almost out of factory warranty (4 yrs, 50k), 7 months or 4500 miles, maybe time enough to discover things?
So the 45k checkup would be under warranty? Have to figure out if a dealer already did that before the car was sold.
Opinions on this used 2020 V90 T6 please. Things to check?
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Opinions on this used 2020 V90 T6 please. Things to check?
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And here is a 2020 V60 Cross Country T5 listed as being AWD, same mileage, for $5k less. One owner, no damage reported.
Confused - I thought the T6 was the AWD, not the T5 ???
The V90 is what, about 4" longer in the cargo bed? Have to look up my 850's dimensions to compare the V's.
What functionality or safety would I be missing besides the more powerful T6 engine?
Do I need the T6 to get onto the highway when the right lane is moving at 75mph and I had to stop in the acceleration lane waiting for a gap?
https://www.carmax.com/car/25148657
Confused - I thought the T6 was the AWD, not the T5 ???
The V90 is what, about 4" longer in the cargo bed? Have to look up my 850's dimensions to compare the V's.
What functionality or safety would I be missing besides the more powerful T6 engine?
Do I need the T6 to get onto the highway when the right lane is moving at 75mph and I had to stop in the acceleration lane waiting for a gap?
https://www.carmax.com/car/25148657
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And for $3k more than the V90, two years younger and half the mileage. Might be nice to have the factory warranty for 2 years:
2022 Volvo V60 Cross Country T5
$39,998 20K miles
https://www.carmax.com/car/24778908
I had been thinking that $32k ought to be my budget limit. I got an off-lease 2019 Toyota Avalon Limited for my wife for that price a couple years ago. Or go cheap and get a used Subaru Outback. Its only a second car, for hauling & when my wife is using the good car & I need to go somewhere. But I like the luxury features & need an engine that can get onto the highway when traffic is fast & congested.
Seems like all the local cars have the terrible white/black or worse black/black paint jobs. yecch.
2022 Volvo V60 Cross Country T5
$39,998 20K miles
https://www.carmax.com/car/24778908
I had been thinking that $32k ought to be my budget limit. I got an off-lease 2019 Toyota Avalon Limited for my wife for that price a couple years ago. Or go cheap and get a used Subaru Outback. Its only a second car, for hauling & when my wife is using the good car & I need to go somewhere. But I like the luxury features & need an engine that can get onto the highway when traffic is fast & congested.
Seems like all the local cars have the terrible white/black or worse black/black paint jobs. yecch.
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I’d sadly go the Subaru route on both purchase price and cost to repair.
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I think my biggest quandry is acceleration lag from a stop. I can compare the 0-60 etc times and compare to my 850 and the Avalon (in Sport mode), but that doesn't speak to the feel of it. When I decide to move into a gap in traffic, the timing is critical, the car has to get moving the way I expect it to move, and respond to subtle changes in my foot on the gas.
Both the Subaru and the V60 have been criticized for acceleration quality.
Spent some hours last night comparing the three Subaru XT models, for 2023 vs 2020.
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file: Subaru Outback 2022 info on all trims
https://www.autotrader.com/comparisons/ ... right-trim
2022 Subaru Outback: Choosing the Right Trim
ByJohn McCormick 05/17/2021
The base specification is an
all-wheel-drive (AWD),
5-passenger wagon design, riding on
17-inch wheels and powered by a
2.5-liter 4-cylinder engine delivering a modest 182 horsepower. WANT XT
Power is transferred via a continuously variable transmission (CVT), which is good for fuel economy but blunts performance and can make the engine noisy under full acceleration.
https://www.autotrader.com/comparisons/ ... right-trim
2022 Subaru Outback: Choosing the Right Trim
ByJohn McCormick 05/17/2021
The base specification is an
all-wheel-drive (AWD),
5-passenger wagon design, riding on
17-inch wheels and powered by a
2.5-liter 4-cylinder engine delivering a modest 182 horsepower. WANT XT
Power is transferred via a continuously variable transmission (CVT), which is good for fuel economy but blunts performance and can make the engine noisy under full acceleration.
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I thought Subaru still had a 3.6L, maybe not.
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My mom has a '17 Outback, and both me and my sister hate it, and my sister is not a car person. Just a normal person. It's just stupid in almost every area, stupid acceleration, stupid feel, stupid looks, etc. But reliable. My 2¢.
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From what I have seen they are one of the few modern cars that (with maintenance) can hit the 300k mile mark like P2 Volvos. Asssuming you could tolerate 300k in one lol.
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Also assuming you don’t need head gaskets at 150….and at 200…
Our d-i -l has a ‘17 I think as well. It’s comfortable, decent seats, not squeaky, but the accelerator pedal feel is just weird with that CVT.
Our d-i -l has a ‘17 I think as well. It’s comfortable, decent seats, not squeaky, but the accelerator pedal feel is just weird with that CVT.
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