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I have a Volvo 850 1996 with an ECU LH-Jetronic 3.2 Engine: B5254S

A week ago when leaving to work the engine stumbled and shut off when leaving the parking lot like I was lifting the clutch too quickly but I didn't. Now it has been a whole week of investigating the issue the engine has.

Fault code: 121 MAF sensor value abcent or invalid.

Tested the MAF and it looked like it really was faulty due to the output signal voltage jumping all over the place. So I replaced the MAF with a new one but still the engine has this same issue and is still giving a code 121 after clearing it a bunch of times and even disconnected the battery for an hour.

So the next thing I did was testing if the MAF gets voltage, key in ON position without ignition, 12V input detected in MAF connector pins 2/3 (the sensor has a 4-pin connector). This seemed to be working as intended so next thing I did was testing the 3 cables going to the ECU that they are not shorted out or disconnected, and they were not. They were not shorted out to eachother either and the ground wire had a contact with the negative terminal on the battery as intended.

After a while of investigation I went to take apart the Main Relay (fuel injection) because according to a wiring diagram of Jetronic 3.2 the oxygen sensor, the MAF and the injectors were all connected to that main relay power source. I thought meaby that device was malfunctioning but it wasn't. The insides were as shiny as brand new device with no cracked soldering joints and even tested it with the engine running to see if it sparkles, and it didn't.

The ECU is in the safe mode but the engine wont stay running after startup. (stalling within 5-10 seconds)
So to keep the engine running I turned the throttle a little every few seconds to keep the engine running while investigating the Main Relay.
While giving that throttle a very delicate 3-5 degree turn I heard a sparkling sound coming somewhere from the middle of the fuel injectors.
I heard this sparkling on every turn of the throttle for 10-15 turns untill suddenly it didn't sparkle on the last turn and shot the RPM up to approximately 1100RPM for 2-3 seconds after which I didn't need to turn the throttle anymore to keep the engine running and it was somewhat normally sailing at 790-840rpm on idle. (tiny bit higher variable on rpm compared to a working system)

Fuel line pressure was tested and it had no problems. The whole fuel delivery chain should be fine.
Except having one noisy injector with a cold engine that Im already planning to check/replace or clean at some point.

However the only code is 121 and I don't know what to test here anymore. Can a failing ignition coil meaby cause a MAF Fault Code 121? As somehow I think it might have something to do with the sparkling I heard.

Any thoughts would be helpful.

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Clean the MAF connector.

23: MFI 1-2-1 MAF sensor signal. Signal faulty.

DTC information MFI 1-2-1

S145881 Condition
Since the computed mass air flow is determined largely by the injection period, the system is dependent on the MAF sensor signal. The DTC is recorded if the control module detects that the signal is lower than 2.7 V or higher than 8 V.

Substitute value
The control module assumes a fixed load signal value (limp home) when the DTC is recorded. The adaptive and idling control functions are inhibited, and the ICM and AW 50-42 TCM load signal is adjusted to the full-load value.

Possible source
  • Open-circuit in signal or supply lead.
    Signal lead short-circuited to ground or supply.
    Contact resistance in connections.
    MAF sensor faulty.
Fault symptoms
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If your replacement MAF is NOT oem Bosch,it will not work.The fact is that the car will run better with an old one.
Disconnect the MAF and start the engine.If it runs better than you still have MAF problem.
Note that Maf sensors for Jetronic & later Motronic system are NOT compatible,neither the inserts.
They look pretty similiar and have the same number of pins but they are NOT interchangeable.
You need exactly the same Bosch MAF insert,with the same part numbers like old one.
Did you checked the codes from ignition ecu also?
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misha wrote: 28 Apr 2018, 09:28 If your replacement MAF is NOT oem Bosch,it will not work.The fact is that the car will run better with an old one.
Disconnect the MAF and start the engine.If it runs better than you still have MAF problem.
Note that Maf sensors for Jetronic & later Motronic system are NOT compatible,neither the inserts.
They look pretty similiar and have the same number of pins but they are NOT interchangeable.
You need exactly the same Bosch MAF insert,with the same part numbers like old one.
Did you checked the codes from ignition ecu also?
So, my naturally aspirated Volvo 850 2.5 20v with Jetronic injection, how do I find out the correct MAF sensor code? My car no longer has the original sensor, and it got lost in a workshop. Is there a way to find out? Thank you!

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B5254S engines have only 2 types of Maf sensors.
Jetronic have one type while m4.3 & m4.4 share the same Maf.
Bosch 0 280 217 107 is for m4.3 & m4.4 management and it is not interchangeable with jetronic management.
While m4.3 & m4.4 use the whole maf assembly...jetronic use just an insert.
Part # must be available,just look for Jetronic management Maf sensor insert.
Jetronic management Maf should be for B5254FS engine.
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'73 144 De Luxe
'78 244 DL
'78 244 DL
'79 244 GLE
'85 340 GLS
'97 850 2.5 20v / fully equipped / Motronic 4.4 from the factory / upgraded with S,V,C,XC70 instrument cluster / polar white wagon

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misha wrote: 28 Sep 2024, 02:33 B5254S engines have only 2 types of Maf sensors.
Jetronic have one type while m4.3 & m4.4 share the same Maf.
Bosch 0 280 217 107 is for m4.3 & m4.4 management and it is not interchangeable with jetronic management.
While m4.3 & m4.4 use the whole maf assembly...jetronic use just an insert.
Part # must be available,just look for Jetronic management Maf sensor insert.
Jetronic management Maf should be for B5254FS engine.
Good morning! My problem is as follows: I am from Brazil and I can’t find the correct ads for the MAF I need. The code on the air filter box is (914056). Could you help me find links to purchase the correct MAF? Thank you in advance!

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It should be this one:
https://www.ipdusa.com/products/12610/M ... 220-234380

If you can find official Bosch service...order from them.
You will get the same part from Bosch directly in yellow/red box for much less money than in blue Volvo box.

From a quick google search:
https://am.boschcarservice.com/br/pt/
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MaiconTanK wrote: 27 Sep 2024, 15:54 ...So, my naturally aspirated Volvo 850 2.5 20v with Jetronic injection, how do I find out the correct MAF sensor code? My car no longer has the original sensor, and it got lost in a workshop. Is there a way to find out? Thank you!
Just came across this when searching something else:
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I forgot i have this catalogue.
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History of Volvos in the family:
'71 144 S
'73 144 De Luxe
'78 244 DL
'78 244 DL
'79 244 GLE
'85 340 GLS
'97 850 2.5 20v / fully equipped / Motronic 4.4 from the factory / upgraded with S,V,C,XC70 instrument cluster / polar white wagon

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