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indnajns
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Ridden hard, put away wet

Post by indnajns »

You boys are silly. Lots of cars can last a quarter million miles if someone pampers them. But what about a car that has been through the wringer and then some?
I bought this poor thing off ebay. My dad and I have bought about 6 cars off ebay. Those bought below the Mason-Dixon line have been as described or even better. Those from above ... well, let's just take this poor 850 as an example. Nothing was mentioned about the blown shocks (no really - BLOWN. the passenger side had actually shot through the deck lid and left a gaping hole), the broken engine mount, the missing air duct hose, or all the creaks, groans, pops, noises, bouncing, etc that make for such an interesting ride. There was mention of the AB light being on. On the positive side, it still has cold AC (How?? one might wonder) and there's no rust.

She arrived with no fuel, no oil(!), bouncing like a bowl of jello, with over 200K miles on the odometer and a title that said I was the SECOND owner. The first owner must've been married to that little ol' lady from Pasadena. There's dents in the roof where something was tied down hard. Back shocks have since been replaced, but the front ones still creak and pop.

Then there's the "fishing trip incident". The radiator was leaking. So, we pulled it off, decided it couldn't be fixed (plastic tanks), ordered a new one (metal tanks), and installed it. This was in July. I drove it for a month, mostly interstate travel, no problem. Then I decide to take the kid fishing. Up at a lake on a mountain top. 7 miles straight up a 1/2 lane dirt road. As Arlo Guthrie says, "on one side of the road, there was a mountain. on the other side, there was just a cliff." Luckily, we didn't go off the cliff. But, I was watching the road so hard I didn't notice the temperature gauge. Not quite to the top, I notice steam. "Oh, that's not good." Gauge is pegged. Pull over, wait an hour, add creek water (engine was BONE dry), listen to kid fuss about not getting to fish, creep back down the mountain UNDER THE CAR'S OWN POWER.
Now, let me break in here and say, if this had been my Ford Probe (which I love dearly), we would've had to have been towed off the mountain. BUT -- this Volvo is still going, 9 months later! Turns out we had missed plugging back in one of the fan relays and since I had been driving on the interstate, the engine had stayed cool. 20 mins of 1st & 2nd gear is what got me into trouble. We know either the head is warped/cracked or the gasket is blown because there's a cylinder now with no compression. It's get up and go is fine to someone who didn't drive the car before the meltdown, but I can tell the difference. The engine light is on, of course, because I melted every sensor on the poor thing. And ... I've seen the dreaded brown sludge on the dipstick indicitive of water in the oil. However, an oil change produced NO water and oil black as ink, and the radiator fluid doesn't go down. Figure that one out.
So, since I'm out of a job at the moment, and the thing still gets me from point A to point B, we keep rolling along. It's my only transportation at the moment (Probe died, forcing the purchase of this car) and I haven't been late anywhere yet. (knocking on all available wood here) We drive 150 miles one way about once a month to see my folks, taking the kid and the dog and way too many suitcases.

My point in all this? I doubt I'll ever drive another make of car. I'm afraid Detroit isn't going to get any help from me. They couldn't begin to dream about building a car that could withstand what this poor thing has been through. And it keeps on going! Have I replaced some stuff? (like the fuel pump, shocks, radiator, heat exchanger, and of course, the brakes) Of course. The car has 239K+ miles on it. But it keeps on hanging in there. Of course, it may be that my guardian angel is the only thing keeping it on the road, but whatever it is, I'll take it. And yes, if I ever get the cash, I'll rebuild the engine. I've got a kid who'll be wanting to drive here in a few more years. (I feel a heart attack coming on!) I think this will be a fine starter car for him.
Assuming I'm done with it by then.
Takes a licking and keeps on ticking!
Takes a licking and keeps on ticking!
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Post by peffley »

Great reading!

Just a suggestion/thought... Before you pour several grand into that (or any car), consider other used ones for sale. I know this sounds obvious but falling in love with Volvo doesn't have to mean one specific vehicle. There are a lot of 850's out there in great shape and you can get awesome deals (especially now). I just got a '97 850 T5 in newish condition (150k.miles) for $1800. Everything works incl. the turbo and the a/c and everything!

The cool thing about Volvo's is that they are usually purchased by rich people and pampered during their earlier years - and yet don't seem to hold a high resale value as compared to other euro luxury vehicles. i.e.BMW, Mercedes, etc..

Good luck! -Peff

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Post by matthew1 »

indnajns, super interesting, thanks for posting.
peffley wrote:The cool thing about Volvo's is that they are usually purchased by rich people and pampered during their earlier years - and yet don't seem to hold a high resale value as compared to other euro luxury vehicles. i.e.BMW, Mercedes, etc..
^^^ Agreed 100%. In my humble opinion, a 1997-1998 850/S70/V70 is an insane value. Like you said, we can get these things for under $2k, and they'll hit 60 mph in a very respectable time, get decent highway economy, protect us from collisions with tanks, run forever, are easy to work on, and look good while doing all that.

It sucks to be on the selling end of this equation if you bought your car new, or for $18k like I did (in 2000). But on the buying side of this it's pure economical joy.
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Post by misha »

I doubt I'll ever drive another make of car.
It's VOLVO! 8)
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Post by binglax09 »

peffley wrote: I just got a '97 850 T5 in newish condition (150k.miles) for $1800. Everything works incl. the turbo and the a/c and everything!
haha idono but that made me laugh, I do hope you know that the turbo will probably outlast the car :) as for the AC, that's lucky!
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Post by Ozark Lee »

"fishing trip incident"
Why am I thinking about one of the "family vacation" movies?

From the variants on the hubcaps it does have that family truckster look to it.

God bless you, I have driven a lot of beaters in my life and I think the best beater car I ever was my 142 Grand Luxe.

This 88 year old woman (with 4 other octogenarians in the car with her) took a left hand turn out of the right hand lane (3 lanes) directly across the bow of my old Impala. I tried to avoid hitting her but then the fire hydrant came into view.

:shock:

At the end of the day I clipped her and hooked my rear axle on the fire hydrant. The axle got yanked out from under the car but at least all of the old gals went home. The fire hydrant was canted about 30° but it didn't break.

I needed a car and the 142 had a for sale sign in the window next door at a restaurant -it was Don Pepe's car - Don was Aristotle Onassis's Chef. I as in college so I had to borrow money from the bank to buy it (1979 - 21% interest) but it had a stick, electric overdrive, and it was fun and I replaced it with the 740's in subsequent years.

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Post by indnajns »

Yeah, I'd forgotten they don't match. I can't keep hubcaps on it. It's like a two year old that keeps losing his shoes. So we just pick them up wherever and whenever we come across one cheap and available (ie, FREE). One's actually missing on the other side. (Passenger side. Who ever looks at that?)

And yes, you're pretty much on with the "family vacation" reference. At least, that's how it seems.

Oh, and I forgot to mention the tie-rod arm that had to be replaced because it was bent around and twisted up, almost unrecognizable. Took it in to have it aligned and the shop guys were all, "umm, well, it's like this ... ".

I haven't been able to tell if the car liked its old life better, where it got beat to death, or its new life, covered in shaggy dog hair, hotwheels cars, and fishing gear. I mean, once upon a time (back in1996) she was a refined, classy lady. But she's holding together for us. She must not mind the kid and the dog. Or maybe it's because I actually bother to put oil in her.
I had so many lifetime warranties I hated to let the car go!

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Post by Craigd2599 »

One wreck in a Volvo and you are hooked. As for truthfulness above / below the Mason Dixon line...as a Yankee now living in the South....they'll screw you down here just as fast and just as hard...they just say "Bless your heart" when they are done.
I love my 850 because
-someone GAVE it to me
-they are built like the black boxes from commercial airliners
-someone GAVE it to me
-They are easy to work on
-someone GAVE it to me
-Pretty much everything I need to know about fixing it can be found here
-oh ans someone GAVE it to me
You can't beat a free car...especially a free GLT with that cool spoiler on the back. That car looks a good 50MPH faster with that baby!
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Post by holler1 »

My favorite "tough Volvo" story was when my wife missed the brake pedal when parking and ran into a brick building with our old 1982 DL (240) and caused $10,000 damage to the building. The car didn't have a mark on it. Of course that was in the days when cars actually had bumpers.
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Post by turbotim2 »

I have driven many cars to 250k miles as I am cheap and have never had a new car. These Volvos by far are at the top in terms of constant maintenance. You should see my account history at FCP and Eeuro. With that said, I am still driving mine, and my wife still likes hers as well. I am glad I own them because if I had to make payments as well as the maintenance I probably would find something else...maybe!
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