Key for Glovebox

[JRL]

No
Key's are the same. I don't think any other type of lock would fit
This car may have had a broken ignition and was replaced with either a used ignition cylinder and key or could not wait the usual 5 to 10 days to have a proper key and lock sent from Sweden.
Your key should at least fit into the glovebox lock, even if it does not turn, someone really fubared it up

[101]

strange indeed.

Help us narrow this down ... try the key that you have in every lock on the car - ignition, drivers' door, tailgate/trunk, wagon rear load floor and glovebox. Let us know specifically where it works and where it doesn't.

Unfortunately, Elsa is 100 miles away and I have the valet key here so I can't verify how the valet key would or would not fit the glovebox lock. Anna was adopted much later and has no valet key, and has undergone an ignition switch transplant like JRL said above, so with her I have to deal with two master keys (one for just the ignition and the other for the doors, trunk and glovebox, which is a major PITA).

[MrAl]

Hello again,

Ok, well i can tell you right away that the key fits the one and only door that has the key hole, and it also fits the tailgate door. There's only one door on this car with a key hole the other three dont have any. That door is the drivers door.
So unless there are some other key holes hiding somewhere, the key fits every key hole except the glovebox keyhole.
Oh there is a gas cap key but i know that one is different and i have that one.
I dont think the wagon rear load floor has a key hole, but i'll check that too.

I will try it again a little later today though since you all think this is so strange. Maybe it just looked too small, but i will definitely try it again. I should be able to do that a little later today. If it fits now somehow i'll be shocked, but will be happy right after that
I'll try to get a pic too.

Thanks for the ideas and suggestions.

[misha]

Check for some kind of blockage at glovebox lock too.

[MrAl]

Hi,

Wow, i was right, i found a button that makes the car fly !!!
[BTW the design for flying cars is becoming a reality now as they are now in the works in several companies that make cars. So we get to look forward to more 'car' accidents in the future.]

I am saying that because it is funny but also a little to help mask the embarrassment of having to report that THE KEY FITS !!!

What it seems happened was because of the angle and the not so perfect lighting in the area of the key slot and the angle of view, the key hole looked much more narrower that it really is. I even held the key near the hole one time and it looked like it would not fit. So it was partly an optical illusion that made it look like it would not fit.
Wow, is that nuts or what?

Thanks for the suggestion that it MUST fit. Persistence paid off.

OH hey i just thought of something else while writing...
There was mention in this thread of TWO different key designs. I happen to have two keys on my key chain, and i never checked to see if they are the same or not. It could be that i tried the other key last time and this time i happened to pick the key that fits properly. I'll check into this soon. That would make a lot of sense now.

[abscate]

In principle, theory trumps practice, but in practice, practice trumps theory.

Glad you unlocked the mystery of Pandoras Glove Box. Was Jimmy Hoffa inside?

[MrAl]

In principle, theory trumps practice, but in practice, practice trumps theory.

Glad you unlocked the mystery of Pandoras Glove Box. Was Jimmy Hoffa inside?

Hi there Steve,

In the end it's all dogma right?

Interesting way of putting that statement, as i dont think i have heard it put that way before.
What i have heard is the more famous which i quote here:
"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."

but my take is entirely, entirely different, putting theory in it's rightful practical place (no pun intended but it is kind of ironic, and after all, everything we do and think has to have some practical significance or else it is just nonsense).
My take is that theory is the measuring rule for the practical. They go side by side, like a ruler measuring the distance between two points A and B. Theory is like the ruler, which we strive to make perfect so we can use it to measure the imperfections in new things to come. We dont get it perfect, but as time goes on it becomes closer and closer to the ideal which we believe exists, so our later measurements of nature become more and more perfect.
So the bottom line is that we dont choose one or the other, but use both simultaneously in their intended purposes.

But anyway, Jimmy (RIP) wasnt in there but i think i found one of his socks

The mystery is now solved i think because i checked all the keys i have and they all look the same except for one which has the groove a little less square at the base of the key near the 'handle' part. That is the only difference, and i dont think it is significant enough to stop it from working the glove box but of course i will try that next time i go out to the car. But my original idea of what went wrong must be right because i looked at the thickness of the key vs the width of the lock hole and that's what made me think it would not fit, because the slot looked too thin. Since it did fit and all keys are all the same thickness, i believe they will all work. So it was an optical illusion that threw me off in the first place, but i'll try that other key tomorrow some time just to be absolutely sure.

Thanks again for all the suggestions and ideas from everyone here.

[erikv11]

... Theory is like the ruler, which we strive to make perfect so we can use it to measure the imperfections in new things to come. We dont get it perfect, but as time goes on it becomes closer and closer to the ideal which we believe exists, so our later measurements of nature become more and more perfect.
So the bottom line is that we dont choose one or the other, but use both simultaneously in their intended purposes. ....

Hah, maybe you haven't been paying attention to world affairs (red flag topic I know, sorry!). Theory is not so relevant any more, hardly any room for practice either - it's the golden age of truth being what people choose to make up.

... except for one which has the groove a little less square at the base of the key near the 'handle' part. ....

That sounds like the valet key, that is *exactly* where you look for the difference.

[MrAl]

... Theory is like the ruler, which we strive to make perfect so we can use it to measure the imperfections in new things to come. We dont get it perfect, but as time goes on it becomes closer and closer to the ideal which we believe exists, so our later measurements of nature become more and more perfect.
So the bottom line is that we dont choose one or the other, but use both simultaneously in their intended purposes. ....

Hah, maybe you haven't been paying attention to world affairs (red flag topic I know, sorry!). Theory is not so relevant any more, hardly any room for practice either - it's the golden age of truth being what people choose to make up.

... except for one which has the groove a little less square at the base of the key near the 'handle' part. ....

That sounds like the valet key, that is *exactly* where you look for the difference.

Hi,

Oh well politics does not follow any known reasonable line of thinking so i have to exclude that from the discussion about theory and practice The only rule i know of that always holds there is, "It is true if i get what i want but false otherwise".

Oh ok, so the only difference is how far the groove goes up the key from the tip of the key toward the 'handle' part of the key? If that's the case, then i do certainly have to try the other key and see if it doesnt work.
But as good as that sounds, the whole reason i did not think it fit was because of the thickness of the key, which could not be the reason unless there is a minor difference, but it looked like a major difference when i went to try it the first time so i probably did not even try to fit the key in the hole. That is because from a side angle (sitting in drivers seat) the key hold looks more narrow and so i did not think any of the keys i had would fit because they are all made of rather thick metal and have milled patterns that are different on each side of the key shank. That's different to me because all the keys in the past i had were only milled on the very bottom edge (and some on the top edge too) but never on the two side faces like this one. I hesitate to provide a picture of the actual key for security reasons, but i could probably draw up something to illustrate. Oh wait, i could take a partial picture of the key.
See pic. Note the difference in the groove only. It's the same on the back, only difference is at the end of the groove where it gets close to the handle of the key.

[abscate]

Make sure you keep good records of the piece of the key younshow. If you accidentally post the other piece, bots can stich them together in software, complete your key, and sell it to the highest bidder. Someone from Iowa will take 7!days off from work to drive into Jersey and boost your car.

This happens every day, the media just doesn't cover it.